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The Iberian wolf, Canis lupus signatus

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Offline lisa

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« on: March 09, 2009, 21:26 PM »
This has been happening to me quite a lot lately. I've been wanting to post things about wolves in general that don't quite fit in any other thread and each time can't believe there isn't one. So I've been plumping for one of the other threads but not this time. Perhaps I'm slow, or just can't find it, or perhaps you don't agree, but there we are  :)

I've just watched El Amigo de los Lobos, a programme first made and shown in 2003 and recently re-broadcast in the TV series "España en la Vereda". It features Carlos Sanz and some beautiful wolves.
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2009, 11:32 AM »
Brilliant, i didn't know about this, thankyou for posting it.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 18:52 PM »
I've just watched an excellent documentary on wolves in Spain involving hunters, conservationists and politicians. It spells the current situation out fairly clearly, though I'll watch it again to catch bits I missed first time round.
http://www.documaniatv.com/naturaleza/repor-la-huella-del-lobo-video_8655f982b.html
""La huella del lobo": La cámara de Repor busca esta semana el rastro del lobo ibérico en la Península. El lobo es un animal que desata polémica ahí por donde pasa."
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2009, 18:13 PM »
Hi Lisa
Thanks for that, a documentary that presented the facts, without taking sides
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 21:46 PM »
Yes, thanks for the link, Lisa - very interesting viewing.  It was startling to see 800 hunters gathering in Galicia, to shoot foxes. (Their finall tally was 44).  Among the interesting things was the man with the cows who dared to speak up against the hunters and suggest their uncontrolled dogs caused more damage to the animals than wolves.  Also the scene in the kitchen at the end, when they bring up wolf anecdotes, and, if I understood correctly, a guy had an encounter in which a wolf put its front paws on his chest, and after he never fully recovered his power of speech.

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 00:21 AM »
I 've not cotributed for a while ..... has there been mention of Jose Luis Rodriguez's photo of an iberian wolf jumping a fence a night .....Overall winner of Wildlife  photographer of the Year 2009? A truly amazing photo ....... it's in last or one before last BBC Wild Life Magazine ...... I also saw it exhibited in Bristol last weekend......has anyone else seen it?

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 00:22 AM »
Sorry just seen the link!!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2010, 00:21 AM »
Hi Lisa and all,

Going back to the beginning of the thread. Just a point I've thought about for years and I hope it hasn't been discussed before.....in Portugal and Spain their are 2500 wolves (approx) but they live in an area of about 400 x 200 = 80 000 sq km in the NW (approx 75 000 for easy maths ) = 1 wolf per 30 sq km. About half of this area is urban/market gardening agriculture/coastal touristic/industrial etc (not wolf habitat)  the other half is cereal agriculture/forest/moorland etc ie wolf habitat. So density is really about 1 per 15 sq km.

I've tried to find higher wolf densities around the world  - but struggled....... especially those with a comparable climate region .......even the Carpathians ( with it's vaste pristine areas) which have an area of about 210,000 sq km have a wolf population of 3000 = 1 wolf per 70 sq km ........ half  the land area for urban areas /agriculture/industry etc give 1 wolf per 35 sq km.

It's really interesting how Spain/Portugal have such high wolf densities .......ironically most of the reason for this this is man ...... ie current land use of NW Spain MAY allow for a higher wolf density than would happen if the land was, as it was before man seriously changed the lanscape.

Also within this area there are even higher local densities eg Zamora etc

This point has nothing to do with believing that wolves don't need protecting ....... far from it .......

I do hope I haven't posted this point before ......apologies if I have.

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 14:46 PM »
Interesting Steve. The Sierra de la Culebra and surrounding area is always cited as having one of the highest densities of wolves in the world
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2010, 21:24 PM »
Thanks Nick,

I knew it was high compared to other areas in Spain and guessed but did'nt know that it was high compared to other areas in the world ....

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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2010, 16:36 PM »
Sorry Steve T but the wolf photo has now been discredited.    This is the article that was sent to me by email - I think it was in the Telegraph.

The winner of the Wildlife Photographer of the Year award has been disqualified after judges ruled that the featured wolf was probably a "model".
The 2009 winning image, dubbed the storybook wolf, was taken by photographer Jose Luis Rodriguez.
Mr Rodriguez strongly denied that the wolf was a trained animal, according to a statement from the organisers.
His photograph was chosen out of more than 43,000 competition entries in October 2009.
Louise Emerson from the Wildlife Photographer of the Year competition office explained that the judging panel had been "reconvened" and had concluded that it was likely that the wolf featured in the image was an animal model that could be "hired for photographic purposes".
This, she said, was in breach of the competition rules which are made available to all entrants.
"The judging panel looked at a range of evidence and took specialist advice from panel judges who have extensive experience of photographing wildlife including wolves," continued Ms Emerson.
"They also considered the responses to specific questions put to the photographer."
Wildlife photographer Mark Carwardine was one of the competition judges. He told BBC News that this was the first time in its 46 year history that there would not be a winner.
Mr Carwardine explained that he and his fellow judges had gathered evidence and sought the opinions of wolf experts in order to reach their decision.
The experts compared the winning picture to pictures of Ossian, a tame wolf that lives at a zoological park near Madrid called Canada Real.
"You can see several very distinctive markings and the experts all agreed that, yes, it's the same wolf," said Mr Carwardine.
"We disqualified [Mr Rodriguez] and banned him for life from entering the competition again, so I think that sends a strong message."
Mr Carwardine added that Mr Rodruiguez had, throughout the investigation, denied "hiring" Ossian for the photograph. The disqualified photographer maintains that his subject was a wild wolf.
Mr Rodriguez was not immediately available for comment.
"This is very sad and I think it might make us more suspicious of entries that are too good to be true," said Mr Carwardine. But he added that he hoped it would encourage honesty in the competition in the future.
The disqualified photograph will be removed from the Wildlife Photographer of the Year exhibition, which is being held at the Natural History Museum in London. The exhibition tour will also take place without a winning image.
The annual competition is owned by the Natural History Museum and BBC Wildlife Magazine.   

 


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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2010, 21:06 PM »
Thanks Lisa

I suppose that one good thing will come out of it and that is that it will raise awareness of this wonderful carnivore ....... it will have done this more through the controversey that it caused than if it had just been the winner ........ as so many more people will have heard of the photo now.........


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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2010, 22:09 PM »
I coincided over a long weekend in Sierra de la Culebra with Jean-Marc Landry author of the excellent El Lobo (originally written in French but adapted - not only translated for Spain), bit pricely but worth it,

http://www.agapea.com/libros/EL-LOBO-isbn-8428213240-i.htm

He reckoned that the Sierra de la Culebra was equal with Yellowstome as the best (easiest?) place to see wolves in the world.

By the way, the whole series of French books transalted in Spanish are very good (lammergeyer, wild boar, little owl, etc)
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2012, 15:22 PM »
It would be great if everyone could support this idea of having a quality mark or stamp for meat and cheese produced in wolf territorries. I think it's a refreshing change from the usual eternal conflict and a positive step. (I helped Benigno Varillas with the English translation). Please sign and share with your friends.
http://www.change.org/petitions/give-a-chance-to-the-wolf-in-sw-europe#
And in Spanish too,
http://www.change.org/petitions/yo-coopero-con-pastores-y-ganado-y-protejo-al-lobo

Thankyou  :)
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2012, 13:25 PM »
Certainly a very interesting initiative, worth supporting (done and forwarded to friends :angel:)!   :sign:

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2012, 08:52 AM »
Thanks Petrea! Perhaps these extraordinary survivors could help show famers how to survive too..........
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2012, 21:29 PM »
A great initiative. Have signed.

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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2012, 13:54 PM »
Thanks Steve  :)
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2012, 19:45 PM »
Signed  :)