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« Reply #240 on: July 27, 2009, 13:51 PM »
Latest from blog on the bears - No doubt Lisa can give us a more expert take on things, particularly as to the problems besetting eastern zone

http://www.iberianature.com/spainblog/2009/07/increase-in-brown-bear-population/

Good news - in part. The population of brown bears in the Cantabrian Mountains continues to grow. According to the latest bear census, a total of 19 female bears raised 37 cubs last year. The census was carried out in Asturias, Cantabria and Castilla y León by the Fundación Oso Pardo. However, the situation in the eastern populations of bears straddling Cantabria and Castilla-León continues to be “worrying”. Of the 37 cubs raised, just three cubs were raised in this area. The rest were raised by bears in the far healthier western population. El Mundo

In demonstration of the improved situation of bears in the western area, the World Conservation Union has just reduced the classification of the bears in this area from “Critically endangered” to “Endangered”. La Nueva España
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« Reply #241 on: July 28, 2009, 19:10 PM »
Thanks for the info Nick. I've been so busy lately, what with one thing and another, that I haven't even been keeping up to date with the bears  :o
I won't go into the problems of the eastern bear population, suffice to say that the sooner the locals (and government) value the natural wealth around them as it merits, the better.
I see the numbers are two less than the previous year, both mothers and numbers of cubs but it's not important as long as next year's numbers are up. Bears naturally (without interference from males - you know what I mean - bringing them into season again "artificially") give birth every other year. The average statistics are interesting for litter sizes, 2.02 for the western females but only 1.73 for the eastern. Apparently this can be put down to abundance of food, among other factors, and also the age of the mother - younger mothers having smaller litters. So the larger, healthier western population will necessarily have more older, sexually active females than the stricken east with its unbalanced male/female ratio.

Here's a snippet of news from ABC Palencia and Cantabria where there have been a few cases of man meets bear lately. They have the headline the wrong way round I think. It would be better "Man disturbs bear who doesn't harm him" - but that would be boring  >:D

Buscan a un oso que acosó a un vecino de Madrid en el norte de Palencia



Palencia, 25 jul (EFE).- La Fundación Oso Pardo busca indicios de la presencia de uno o varios osos pardos en las inmediaciones de la localidad palentina de Resoba, después de que en la tarde del pasado miércoles un plantígrado acosara a un hombre que se encontraba paseando por el Monte de Las Matas.

Según la información publicada hoy por Diario Palentino y recogida por Efe el hombre, residente en Madrid, abandonó el camino principal y se introdujo en una zona boscosa bastante cerrada.

Tras caminar varios minutos se encontró con un ejemplar de oso pardo que, según explicó a los miembros de la Fundación, realizó varias acometidas de intimidación, quedándose en algunos casos a unos cuatro metros de este hombre, que tuvo que subirse a un árbol hasta que el plantígrado abandonó el lugar, sin llegar a atacarle.

"Están varios compañeros recorriendo la zona para encontrar al animal y saber si es una osa con oseznos, que son las que suelen tener este tipo de actitud", ha señalado Guillermo Palomero, de la Fundación Oso Pardo.

No se trata del primer encuentro entre personas y osos en la Montaña Palentina y en su reflejo en Cantabria.

"En Palencia ya ha habido otro este año y en Cantabria dos, asociados a personas que paseaban con perros, que van sueltos, se van, enredan y vuelven donde el amo con el oso detrás de ellos", según ha afirmado el conservacionista.

La presencia de una osa con oseznos sería una buena noticia para la Fundación, "sobre todo después de los datos hechos públicos hace unos días", ha señalado Palomero.

El director general de Medio Natural de la Consejería de Medio Ambiente, José Ángel Arranz, dio a conocer el pasado martes el censo de osas con crías en la Cordillera Cantábrica correspondiente al pasado ejercicio, compuesto por diecinueve hembras y 37 oseznos.

En la población oriental (Cantabria, Montaña Palentina y Montaña oriental leonesa) se han localizado en 2008 dos osas con tres oseznos.

La localización de las osas se realiza, bien mediante observaciones directas, con ópticas de largo alcance, o mediante la localización de sus rastros. EFE 1010563
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« Reply #242 on: July 30, 2009, 21:46 PM »
Nicw to see you on the forum again Lisa.

Irrespective of the potential danger posed by bears in some circumstances, the way the language on this story was couched is amazing. In the ABC

http://www.abc.es/agencias/noticia.asp?noticia=61041

Buscan a un oso que acosó a un vecino de Madrid en el norte de Palencia

Acosar - harrass
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« Reply #243 on: July 31, 2009, 14:02 PM »
I've still been around but it's true, the bears have been taking a back seat from a certain website and 3 mucky puppies  :P
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« Reply #244 on: July 31, 2009, 18:07 PM »
Mónica has added this to naturaiberica on "bear watching" en el pireneo.

http://iberianature.com/natura_iberica/2009/07/31/bear-watching-en-el-pirineo/
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« Reply #245 on: August 01, 2009, 07:48 AM »
Well done Monica. I wonder how long it will take for certain large carnivores to be seen in a positive light instead of competition to be wiped out. (I wouldn't call the bears in Abruzzo abundant though). One of the best examples in Spain is Somiedo's use of the bears in their PR.
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« Reply #246 on: August 01, 2009, 10:50 AM »
Thanks Lisa,

Sorry, I forgot to talk about Somiedo that was also mentioned in the study I read.  :banghead:
I friend of mine went to Romania last year and he took photos from cubs at a quite short distance. In the Pyrenees I think it will take as long as Barcelona's Sagrada Familia for that photo to be taken...

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« Reply #247 on: August 16, 2009, 17:15 PM »
Wonderful news from the biologists at Oviedo University; they now have positive DNA tested proof that two young bears are the progeny of a female bear from the east ("our Ursula" by the sounds of it) and a male from the west. Two hair/faeces samples taken in Redes Natural Park (Asturias) in November last year gave this result which has shown to be from two individuals, also siblings. One sample was also shown to be a male, the other either they didn't test for sex (unlikely) or the results were not clear enough (probable), I'm not clear on that part. Another sample taken this spring in the Picos de Europa National Park has confirmed the analysis.
I think they're probably both males as that seems an awful long way for a philopatric female to wander in dispersal. Or did she accompany her brother then return to set up her own territory near her mother's? We'll find out.
A friend-who-shall-remain-nameless told me she'd read in the newspaper that two bears have been seen together, one from the east, the other from the west, and that the male was taking the female over to his territory in Asturias  :banghead: Educashun, educashun, educashion!!
The stops should be all pulled out now to facilitate these corridors of meeting as there's now hope for the genetic viability of the eastern population.

 Asturias confirma la existencia de dos ejemplares de oso pardo con ADN de poblaciones oriental y occidental
    OVIEDO, 12 Ago. (EUROPA PRESS) -

  La viceconsejera de Medio Ambiente de Astruias, Belén Fernández, confirmó hoy en rueda de prensa, la existencia de dos ejemplares de oso pardo cantábrico fruto de la comunicación genética entre las poblaciones oriental y occidental.

   Esto es posible gracias a la labor realizada en el marco del Convenio de Colaboración que tiene la Consejería, desde el año 2004, con la Universidad de Oviedo, en concreto con el equipo de la Facultad de Biológicas dirigido por la doctora Ana Domínguez.

   En este contexto se realizó el análisis del ADN contenido en las muestras de pelos y heces que permitieron identificar a dos individuos híbridos -de madre oriental y padre occidental-. Se trata de dos muestras con material genético recogidas en el Parque Natural de Redes el 18 de noviembre de 2008, cuyo análisis constató la existencia de dos individuos cruzados. 

   Uno de ellos se reafirmó, por otra muestra tomada en primavera de 2009 dentro del Parque Nacional de los Picos de Europa, esta última en León. Ambos ejemplares, uno de ellos macho y el otro de sexo desconocido -ya que no se determinó en los análisis genéticos realizados- son hermanos y descendientes del macho migrante de la población occidental encontrado en la oriental, en una localidad palentina, en el año 2005, y de una hembra que ya había sido muestreada en la vertiente cántabra del Parque Nacional.

   El hallazgo de estos primeros descendientes de progenitores de ambas poblaciones confirma la existencia de comunicación genética efectiva después de que este proyecto de investigación hubiera puesto de manifiesto con anterioridad que había, al menos, cuatro migrantes de una población a otra, uno de los cuales fue posible identificarlo en distintas localidades durante su paso por ambas zonas.

   La comunicación entre poblaciones está considerada dentro del Plan de Recuperación de la especie en Asturias y de la Estrategia Nacional de conservación del oso pardo cantábrico como una de las grandes claves para la conservación de la especie a largo plazo, y viene a demostrar la efectividad de las medidas tomadas en los últimos años que se están traduciendo, además, en una consolidación del éxito reproductor de estas poblaciones, indicaron desde la consejería de Medio Ambiente, Ordenación del Territorio e Infraestructuras.

   Aunque se trata de las primeras localizaciones de ejemplares híbridos de ambas poblaciones, la importancia de este hecho hace albergar sólidas expectativas de que puedan ser encontrados otros ejemplares de características similares más adelante.

   Desde el Principado consideran la necesidad de continuar en la línea de trabajo desarrollada hasta ahora, en particular en lo que se refiere a la apuesta por la investigación, la mejora del hábitat y la adecuación de corredores seguros con el fin último de lograr la recolonización del territorio que se encuentra entre ambas poblaciones.


http://www.europapress.es/cantabria/canabria-sostenible-00437/noticia-asturias-confirma-existencia-dos-ejemplares-oso-pardo-adn-poblaciones-oriental-occidental-20090812152029.html

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« Reply #248 on: September 18, 2009, 18:24 PM »
The Fundación Oso Pardo have a spanking new website - http://www.fundacionosopardo.org:80/  :clapping: Don't miss the agility of the bear in a cherry tree video!
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« Reply #249 on: September 18, 2009, 18:55 PM »
Hi Lisa
great web site, the video adds a whole new meaning to Cherry picker  :)
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« Reply #250 on: November 22, 2009, 20:05 PM »
Interesting long article on bears in El Pais contrasting the acceptance of bears in Asturias with the general oppoistion in the Pyrenees

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/Territorio/plantigrado/elpepusoc/20091121elpepusoc_1/Tes

Will do a summary on the blog if I have time, but it's well worth reading

On a slightly different note, the photo accompanying the article is bizarre. Check out the cub at the top of the photo.

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« Reply #251 on: November 22, 2009, 20:53 PM »
That needs explaining.... Is the picture faked? Is the cub jumping/falling to it's death?
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« Reply #252 on: November 24, 2009, 00:41 AM »
My thoughts exactly...Is somebody at El País playing a joke?

Article still worthing reading trhough
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« Reply #253 on: November 24, 2009, 15:55 PM »
That's a brilliant photo. I think it's one of FOP's. Don't forget that bears are excellent climbers and that ledge looks perfectly suitable for jumping on to. In spring/early summer the females and cubs spend their time on the high, more inaccessible ground, eating fresh shrubs and shoots while keeping out of the way of possible marauding males.

Here's something sadder from InfoBierzo
Villablino, Leon - following a tip-off the police have recovered a bear skin from an individual's home. And the obligatory Guardia Civil photo of the confiscated goods.

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« Reply #254 on: November 26, 2009, 14:00 PM »
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That's a brilliant photo. I think it's one of FOP's. Don't forget that bears are excellent climbers and that ledge looks perfectly suitable for jumping on to. In spring/early summer the females and cubs spend their time on the high, more inaccessible ground, eating fresh shrubs and shoots while keeping out of the way of possible marauding males.

Yes, I'm sure you're right Lisa- The angle seemed a bit odd, that's all.
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« Reply #255 on: November 26, 2009, 17:40 PM »
Regarding the 'jumping' image; at first sight this reminded me of a very shocking film sequence from the Asturias population of a male bear attacking and succeeding in killng at least one of its own offspring by chasing them out of the forest and hurling them off a cliff edge, all under the terrified gaze of the mother!

I'm sure you must have seem the programme, Lisa, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was! Any thoughts?

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« Reply #256 on: November 26, 2009, 21:19 PM »
I hardly see any tele Simon but I have my FOP dvd of said behaviour. You (or the bear) sure it was its own offspring  :noidea:
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« Reply #257 on: November 27, 2009, 07:53 AM »
I guess that's the one. I think the story was that when the female came in season (if that's the right term?) the male 'suitor' was mortally dangerous to any other (male?) bears, including cubs. I also recall the episode taking place in spring after hibernation and I'm sure the point was made that the suitor was the cubs' sire. It really was quite horrific footage, with the male literally dashing the cubs down onto the rocks below. Perhaps the film made too much of the incident dramawise, although it would be difficult to play it down!

I don't watch much telly either :angel:, that's why I don't remember the title or series, but I'm sure that if this is the DVD you have then we must be talking about the same production.

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« Reply #258 on: December 05, 2009, 18:10 PM »
Some good news for a change from Palencia, a "new" breeding female has been discovered. With 2 cubs  :)
http://www.thepicosdeeuropa.com/picos-de-europa-mammals/bears/79-gifts-from-the-east.html
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« Reply #259 on: January 08, 2010, 16:53 PM »
I've just written up Villarina's story inspired by Fapas' latest video of her, a couple of frisky foxes and "El lobo"  :santa_afro:
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