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Title: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on July 15, 2007, 12:56 PM
After two days on the beach I've eventually read this month's Quercus. There's an interesting article on Capercaillie (Tetrao urogallus, Sp. Urogallo cantábrico.)
Field studies of 2005/6 have confirmed the disappearance of resident capercaillie in Galicia although there is still the occasional visitor from other parts of the Cordillera Cantábrica ie Asturias and León. Loss of habitat is the main reason given for the extinction in the region, traditional land practices having gone due to rural depopulation and fruit-bearing plants having been choked by other vegetation.
There is a plan for their reintroduction, Plan de Recuperación del urogallo en Galicia, to include ground clearing and replanting of blueberries.

The odd behaviour of some Capercaillie in Asturias has led these normally extremely shy birds to enter villages and allow themselves to be photographed. According to experts this atypical behaviour is representative of the fact that the species is in danger of extinction, as I understand it. (The article doesn't say whether these particular birds are just so desperate to find a mate that even a chicken will do. Just a thought.)
Capercaillie are usually very sensitive to human intrusion on their territory, particularly during the winter and the following breeding seasons, Dec. - July. See "San Glorio bears" (http://www.iberianatureforum.com/index.php/topic,47.0.html) for the ski resort threat to habitat!


  (http://www.lavozdeasturias.es/img/noticias/317573_2.jpg)

Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Technopat on July 16, 2007, 09:13 AM
Greetings Lisa and All,
Thanx for that - the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capercaillie) is very complete and for the polyglots among us, the internal links to Wikipedia in other languages, also. Have always had a soft spot for these clumsy birds, so ill-adapted to modern society (whoops! time to see my therapist!), and like Nick's snake bite touching off an interest in nature, in my case it was the trauma and/or thrill of getting up at 4 a.m. to go traipsing off to see the  leks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lek_%28mating_arena%29) when I was a kid that did the same to me.

Would cross-breeding in the wild always be a result of a desperate need to perpetuate the species - i.e. an animal that is individually or collectively desperate enough to approach another (sub)-species is feeling sufficiently threatened (i.e. having gone a long time without mating) to risk its life? Even in species that are (apparently) monogamous? Is it the thrill of getting caught that adds to the excitement? And I take it that it's only the males that would be stupid  desperate enough to risk their necks for a piece of leg!

Regs.
Technopat
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: steveT on July 29, 2007, 19:43 PM
Lisa,

I haven't seen this months Quercus, but it probaly mentions somewhere too, that growing deer populations are thought to be one of or the major cause of capercaille population decline by some experts - through direct ground disturbance and competition for young shoots....I'd love to see one of these birds ..... i'm convinced I heard one years ago one spring near Somiedo....it's a great word too urogallo ...don't you tinnk?

Ironically it is high deer numbers that has been one of or the major cause of increased wolf number in Asturias .... especially in the greater Somiedo area, which is also one of the  Capercaille's last strong holds!

SteveT
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on July 30, 2007, 08:29 AM
Hi SteveT and all,
there is a mention of ungulates in the article where it's suggested that their numbers should be confined to 5 for every 100ha. They cite rebeco, red deer and ibex. The latter was a revelation for me, thinking they were confined to the south with a few left in the Pyrenees. Did a bit of googling and found that there are some more even nearer home. From Blackwell synergy (http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1046/j.1365-2907.2002.00097.x);
Riaño (14)
In León province there is a game enclosure with about 200 ibex. These came from Gredos
and Batuecas and were released between 1991 and 1997. Today these animals share the space
with Chamois. In 1998 between 10 and 20 ibex from this enclosure were released into the wild
in surrounding areas (Posada de Valdeón and Portilla de la Reina) where both the Wolf (Canis
lupus Linné 1758) and Brown Bear (Ursus arctos Linné 1758) are present (authors’ own data;
J.C. Peral and J. Seijas, personal communication).


Which probably explains how Emilio came to have an ibex tethered in Potes one market day. See post. (http://www.iberianatureforum.com/index.php/topic,412.0.html)
The extract says that the ibex in Galicia were also introduced in the '90's.

Back to Quercus, they also suggest a control of fox and boar. I suggest they leave the wolves to do it.
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: steveT on July 30, 2007, 19:26 PM
Lisa thanks for that.....

I didn't know either there were ibex in the area! A revelation to me aswell.... thanks. Going off piste here re. capercaille. Do  you know the ibex in the Pyrennes are from central Spain too. The last one of the Pyrennean sub species died about 10 years ago. It was killed by a falling branch!!!! I remember reading Quercus then and doubting my Spanish ..... but that is the official report ....I think Nick also refers to it on the website......what a way to go for the last of a sub species ......

 steveT
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Sue on July 30, 2007, 19:39 PM
Hi All,
 i wasn't going to go off on a tangent, but, the ibex from Gredos are a different sub-species are they not.

Regards, Sue
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: steveT on August 01, 2007, 00:49 AM
Dear Sue,

Continuing the tangent ....................I think all Spanish ibex are now considered the same sub species - I think the Gredos ones came from somewhere else in Spain ie reintroduced ( I'm not 100% sure on this and I'll look this up and get back to you).

There was a sub species that existed in the Pyrennes up to 10 years ago ( This I'm 100% sure of).

Viva los tangents!

steveT

Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: steveT on August 01, 2007, 01:30 AM
Mas tangents,

I'm wrong on the Gredos bit .....There were considered to be 4 sub species 2 are extinct ( Portugese and Pyrennean). The surviving 2 are the Gredos group and the SE group from Cazorla and  I guess the Sierra Nevada. From these groups there have been reintroductions to other areas. That is how I understand it from what I've gleaned from a quick bit of reasearch.

steveT
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Sue on August 01, 2007, 10:32 AM
Hi SteveT, Lisa and All,

that is also how i understood it to be with the Ibex, which i suppose is why they have taken the closest and more endngered strain to introduce into the Picos area.
I've seen many an Ibex but never a Capercaillie!
Regards, Sue
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on August 01, 2007, 22:49 PM
I don't know why, they're probably only going to be shot. Must look into the Ibex situation here just in case they're not though.
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on May 22, 2008, 07:52 AM
Remember the male Capercaillie from the beginning of this topic? He's back (http://www.lavanguardia.es/lv24h/20080521/53465729651.html) in the village of Tarna in Redes Natural Park, Asturias after somehow having travelled (http://fapas.es/notifapas/hoy/2008/20080519_urogallo.htm) to the mountains around Lillo in León. This year he's equipped with a radio collar. If, as looks very likely, he doesn't find (with help) a more suitable lek (with a better chance of impressing wild females of his own species), he'll be moved to the new breeding centre, which is up and running, not far away in Sobrescobio. (http://www.elcomerciodigital.com/gijon/20080522/cuencas/medio-ambiente-estudia-llevar-20080522.html)

"Esta solución fue explicada ayer por el director general de Biodiversidad y Paisaje, José Félix García Gaona. El alto cargo de Medio Ambiente reconoció que no es la mejor opción, pero añadió que «no puede descartarse» si fracasa su integración en su hábitat natural. Así, puntualizó, «primero intentaremos reintroducirlo nuevamente en un cantadero de la zona para no condenarlo a la cautividad."

Environmental officers are monitoring the bird and villagers are being asked not to disturb him.  ???

(http://web.lavanguardia.es/lavanguardia/img/20080521/urogallo2_JR2105085.jpg)
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lucy on May 22, 2008, 09:00 AM
Incredible. Driven into the villages out of loneliness.  The breeding centre might not be such a bad idea for him, as he looks very vulnerable, displaying to any living thing he comes across.
Thanks for the links Lisa.
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: glennie on May 22, 2008, 09:32 AM
Request for users not to go off topic. 

The ibex info. will get lost for ever in the capercaille thread, at least if users search via topic title.

Move that part to new topic Clive?
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Technopat on May 22, 2008, 10:48 AM
Greetings Lisa and All,
Many thanx for that, Lisa. I had always thought of the capercaillie as one of the most difficult forest-dwellers to actually get to see and here we find a poor b. who's been driven to an urban environment, just like bears, wolves and wild boar...

Just how long will it be before some sort of cimarrón (En. anyone?) nabs him or he becomes yet another threatened-species roadkill statistic?

Methinks we need references from the North here - Markus? Tore?

Sad regards,
Technopat
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: potes on May 22, 2008, 15:11 PM
Hello Lisa

There is something about this particular story that reminds me of a similar situation that occurred a couple of years ago in the UK.The  protagonist on this occasion was a male peacock that kept leaving its enclosure  to travel to a petrol station in-order to display itself to the garage sign which featured that particular company's motive.

I am wondering if there is something in particular that attracts it to this one village as opposed to a random act of desperation ? perhaps a sound, taste or even a garage sign   :)

Just a thought

regards
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Technopat on May 22, 2008, 16:08 PM
Alcaparras (En. anyone)?  :dancing:
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Jesus Contreras on May 22, 2008, 18:28 PM
I agree totally with POTES. I don´t believe in ghosts... be very sure that in some weeks  (or few months) we´ll know all the truth... perhaps a scaped animal from captivity, and now its owner doesn´t dare to recover it, because of fear to be imprisoned... or simply the spanish "picaresca" (I know this very well) of doing free advertising to a determined region (some years ago I can remember of a simulated "mountain accident" for getting tourism for a determined mountain place... all national Tvs and reporters were there talking about the place for more than a week)... or only, as POTES says "there is something in particular that attracts it to this one village as opposed to a random act of desperation ? perhaps a sound, taste or even a garage sign".

Evolution does not run so quickly as pretended, my friends... be very sure. ALWAYS IS THERE A REASON FOR EVERYTHING, and usually it is easier to solve than it can look... With no scientific proof, every statement is only "guesswork", and by the moment the only sci proof is that an animal has "suddenly appeared" in the street of a small village, possibly injured, desoriented or simply ill... 

All the best


Jesús Contreras
Almería (South Eastern Iberia).
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Technopat on May 22, 2008, 19:29 PM
Greetings Jesús and All,
And here I was, happily thinking that I was head sceptic at iberianatureforum  :technodevil: - I take my hat off to you, Jesús!
Your
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be very sure that in some weeks  (or few months) we´ll know all the truth... perhaps an escaped animal from captivity, and now its owner doesn´t dare to recover it, because of fear to be imprisoned... or simply the Spanish "picaresca" (I know this very well) of doing free advertising to a determined region
is excellent. When I said that maybe we should look to the North, it was 'cos capercaillies haven't yet wandered that far from their natural habitat - but la picaresca knows no boundaries... :dancing:
Admiring regs.,
Technopat
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Jesus Contreras on May 22, 2008, 23:38 PM
Thanks always for your words, TP...  this remember me the credit that most people gave to the BBC video-joke about flying penguins... every people told me about how owful was the climate change, that evolution was running so fast in only a few months.... the end of the world or something worst.

It was only a joke, a nice BBC joke... by the way, a marvellous videomontage.

http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/articulos/pinguinos-voladores.html

Jesus
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on May 23, 2008, 14:46 PM
O.K. I had to go and find something to compete with that and found this footage (http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=pvkHBuD369U) of Manso, without radio transmitter but with an extremely annoying presenter. Good to see he's being watched around the clock. I also found this info. (http://www.elcomerciodigital.com/prensa/20070509/asturias/urogallos-cinco-estrellas_20070509.html) on the new breeding centre, which will have camera coverage inside that visitors will be able to view in the interpretation centre in Tarna.
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Technopat on May 23, 2008, 16:26 PM
Greetings All,
Thanx for those - great!
As yer man said: What a caper! (Sp. anyone?)  :dancing:
Regs.,
Technopat
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Tore on May 24, 2008, 15:10 PM
Hola todos,
I am just back in Madrid for a few days, before heading back to Afghanistan on Tuesday. Just two more months to go, and although work is very interesting, its long days and a long way from home, and I must confess that I also have missed the forum. I will not comment on hunting, though I will note that some recent posts and comments did raise my eyebrows somewhat. I would however like to comment on the Capercaillies, though based on my experiences in Norway.
 This is a very common bird in Norway (in fact so common that we probably ought to run a re-introduction program for them based on birds from Norway (as the Norwegians have done very successfully with the Golden Eagle to Scotland). Apart from been a great game bird for hunting (there are various methods, though hunting with a dog, typically, a Finnish Spitz is usually the best way), it is great eating  (although the older birds acquire a strong resin taste from eating pine shoots). Either way, what is even more exciting is going out to watch the “lek” (i.e. courting rituals). This is a wonderful and exciting activity, and I have had the children along to spend a night in a tent, many a time. The courting birds typically use a fixed location year after year and are often found together with black grouse. They are almost oblivious to people (though care must be taken) and the males work themselves up in to an ecstatic frenzy, where they completely ignore humans. The behavior, describing male birds in the vicinity of humans has nothing to do with the species been rare. This is a very common occurrence in Norway and similar behavior is reported in numerous local papers in Norway every year in the spring. Not only do they become quite obtrusive and inquisitive, they can be quite aggressive at times too. All in all, a wonderful experience for those who have the opportunity.
Regards
Tore
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Technopat on May 24, 2008, 15:45 PM
Greetings Tore,
Welcome back to the Forum and thanx for the Nordic take on the capercaillie's lek (loosely translated as caper(?) or playing around(?) or footloose and fancy-free (?)  :technodevil: ).

So I suppose that the fact that
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This is a very common occurrence in Norway and similar behavior is reported in numerous local papers in Norway every year in the spring.
and not so common here is a simple matter of statistics, as in the more the birds, the more the cases?

Regs.,
Technopat
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on May 25, 2008, 08:37 AM
Moving briskly on before a certain bird ends up in a fabada  ::) (Hi Tore!), Steve asked about the relict pine forest in the Cordillera. I think you're probably thinking of the Pinar de Lillo (León province) which is one of the few remaining natural Scot's pine woods left. Current thought is that these pine forests started declining with climate change since the last ice-age and, then more recently, with human intervention, gathering firewood. Massive commercial holly collecting in the 1960's further destroyed the Capercaillie's habitat.
Here are some scientific viewpoints (http://www.elcomerciodigital.com/prensa/20061230/asturias/cientificos-creen-urogallo-nieves_20061230.html) of this behaviour. I wonder if the northern populations are fragmented?

"Los científicos tienen un término para definir a los urogallos que, como ocurrió esta semana en Caso, se aproximan a las poblaciones y tratan de convivir con los humanos: 'mad cocks' o, en castellano, 'gallos locos'. Porque el extraño caso ocurrido en la localidad casina de Nieves es «bastante habitual dentro de la rareza», dice el biólogo José Ramón Obeso, uno de los científicos que mejor conoce esta especie en peligro de extinción.

El miércoles por la mañana, los vecinos de Nieves se sorprendieron al encontrarse con uno de los pocos urogallos que quedan en el Parque Natural de Redes paseándose tranquilamente por su aldea. Ante la docilidad del animal y su empecinamiento en quedarse en el pueblo, técnicos de Medio Ambiente optaron por capturarlo y devolverlo a una zona sin presencia humana y donde se supone que encontrará a alguno de sus congéneres.

El caso, dice Obeso, no es tan extraño. Desde el año 2000 se han dado, al menos, seis situaciones de este tipo en la Cordillera Cantábrica: uno en la provincia de Lugo, otro en León, y el resto en Asturias (en Somiedo, en el puerto de El Palo, en Lena y este último, en Caso). Unos se subían a los coches, otros entraban en gallineros... Y también se documentaron situaciones de este tipo en «los Alpes, los Pirineos franceses y en la Selva Negra, en Alemania».

¿Qué tienen en común todas estas zonas? «Se trata de un fenómeno propio de poblaciones pequeñas y fragmentadas, donde la especie está en peligro de extinción», dice el biólogo. No es que los animales tomen conciencia de su precaria situación y el pesimismo afecte a su salud mental: los expertos mantienen que los culpables de estos comportamientos son daños neurológicos. En realidad, como todo lo que afecta a esta especie, las cosas no están claras, y los científicos manejan dos hipótesis: la primera apunta a afecciones provocadas por un virus transmitido por garrapatas. Según Obeso, las pequeñas y fragmentadas poblaciones en extinción tienen «una condición fisiológica inadecuada», ya sea por la falta de alimento o por los problemas de salud producidos por la endogamia. En ese estado de debilidad, los virus transmitidos por los parásitos les afectan de un modo mucho más violento que a animales sanos.

La segunda posibilidad es que el extraño comportamiento esté provocado por algo parecido al estrés causado por la soledad, «que se trate de una alteración neurológica surgida en animales que no encuentran a otros ejemplares de su especie». Obeso pone como ejemplo el caso de una hembra que, en plena época de celo, y tras visitar varios cantaderos sin hallar varón, se precipitó a poblaciones humanas en busca de consuelo.

Permanencia en el hábitat

En lo que se refiere al urogallo de Caso, el Principado, en una nota oficial emitida ayer, señala que «durante los próximos días la Guardería de Medio Natural llevará a cabo un seguimiento» del ejemplar en la zona donde fue liberado tras su captura para «constatar su permanencia» en su hábitat natural.
"

Scientists have a phrase for this phenomena (sticking with the Spanish here), "gallos locos". Two thoughts are;
1) fragmentation of populations leading to genetic instability which in turn leads to weak immune systems, leading them open to tick-borne diseases which can affect their mental health.
2) stress caused by loneliness.
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: steveT on May 25, 2008, 10:07 AM
Yes ....thanks Lisa..... this was the relic Scots Pine forest I was thinking of......but I guesss the few stands that have remained into the recent past can't have been important habitats.....or were they? Spanish capercaille seem to have adapted to a deciduous habitat.

steveT



Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Technopat on May 25, 2008, 13:44 PM
Greetings Lisa,
Thanx for that - interesting.
So it's down to ticks and endogamia? - sounds a bit like the history of European royal families :technodevil:
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Technopat on June 09, 2008, 14:08 PM
Greetings All,
Came across the following this morning (Lisa's already posted the Sp. version elsewhere):
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Un juez paraliza un parque eólico en una zona de urogallos
La Junta de Castilla y León deberá explicar por qué autorizó las obras
RAFAEL MÉNDEZ - Madrid - 07/06/2008
El parque eólico San Feliz tendrá que esperar. Las máquinas de la empresa Producciones Energéticas del Bierzo entraron la semana pasada en la vertiente leonesa de la cordillera cantábrica para abrir las pistas para instalar los molinos de viento. No les importó que la zona sea una de las pocas en las que cría el urogallo cantábrico. La alerta de los investigadores que siguen a esta especie en extinción -hay incluso una hembra marcada que se sigue día a día- llevó a la Sociedad Española de Ornitología (SEO) a pedir en los tribunales el freno urgente de las obras. Y aunque los jueces son reacios a estas medidas cautelares, el juzgado número 1 de lo Contencioso de León ordenó ayer frenar el parque. "La urgencia requerida parece de una claridad meridiana", señala el juez sobre el perjuicio al urogallo.

Judge halts windpark in capercaillie territory
The Regional Government of Castilla y León ordered to explain why they authorised the works

The San Feliz windpark will have to wait. The heavy machinery belonging to the company Producciones Energéticas del Bierzo entered the León side of the Cantabrian Mountains in order to “pave the way” for the wind turbines. They don’t care that the area is one o the few remaining in which the capercaillie still breeds. The alarm raised by the researchers specialising in this endangered species – there’s even a ringed female that they are monitoring on a daily basis – led the Spanish Ornithological Society (SEO) to request the courts to halt the works as an emergency measure. And even though judges are reluctant to take such steps, León’s Court No. 1 for Court for Contentious Administrative Proceedings * ruled that the works were to be halted. In his ruling, the judge stated that “the required urgency is crystal-clear”.
* En. Anyone?

More here:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/juez/paraliza/parque/eolico/zona/urogallos/elpepusoc/20080607elpepisoc_8/Tes

Regs.,
Technopat

PS.
Anyone willing to bet on the outcome - when the case goes on to a higher instance  >:D
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on June 09, 2008, 16:02 PM
Back to Mansín, after having been moved from the village to a real lek, (then lost again) he came back to Tarna on Saturday. From elcomerciodigital.com; (http://www.elcomerciodigital.com/gijon/20080609/cuencas/urogallo-asfalto-20080609.html)

Ya nadie se inmuta, excepto los perros que no logran hacer buenas migas con tan peculiar inquilino. Cuando en la mañana del pasado sábado los vecinos de la localidad casina de Tarna comprobaron que por sus calles volvía a pasear el urogallo, a nadie le estrañó. Muchos creen que este ejemplar macho de urogallo cantábrico está más cómodo entre el asfalto y los seres humanos que en pleno monte.
La explicación para los vecinos de Tarna es sencilla: «Ha tenido que ser criado cerca de casas o, incluso, por alguna persona», por eso no se asusta cuando pasea por un entorno urbano. Sino nadie se explica que haya vuelto al pueblo después de que los guardas forestales le devolvieran hace quince días a su hábitat natural, en el parque de Redes, donde hay otros ejemplares machos y hembras. Pero este urogallo parece sentirse muy a gusto con los vecinos de Tarna y se pasea, contoneándose con orgullo ante lugareños y turistas por la calle principal de Tarna, junto a la capilla de San Pedro.
Los tarninos comentaban que «la plaza pasará a llamarse 'plaza del urogallo'». Ayer, estaba llena de vecinos y curiosos que no querían perderse el improvisado desfile de este precioso animal.
Traslado a Sobrescobio
El urogallo, un ejemplar de tres años, lejos de asustarse por las visitas se prestaba a posar. Eso sí, a cierta distancia ya el animal tiene bastante carácter. En cuanto se acercan a él ataca con su plumaje extendido, lo que motiva improvisadas carreras y alguna que otra risa.
A los perros del pueblo, comentan los vecinos, «los tiene asustadísimos». En cuanto se acercan, sale corriendo tras ellos y consigue que la plaza del pueblo «sea su territotio único».
Mientras, desde el Principado ya se está preparando su más que probable traslado al centro de cría del urogallo de Sobrescobio, donde en principio se pretende proteger a este ejemplar y darle una vida lo más parecida posible a la que debería estar teniendo lejos de la ciudad.


Only the village dogs are surprised.
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on June 09, 2008, 16:05 PM
And back to the wind farm  ::) Wot no environmental impact study?
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on June 10, 2008, 07:29 AM
Hope you don't mind Tp, wind farm paralysation posted on Iberianature blog. (http://www.iberianature.com/spainblog/2008/06/10/wind-farm-construction-in-capercaillie-habitat-paralysed-by-judge/)
And Nick's news in Spanish on Natura Ibérica. (http://iberianature.com/natura_iberica/2008/06/07/un-juez-insta-a-paralizar-un-parque-eolico-en-una-zona-de-urogallos/)
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Technopat on June 10, 2008, 10:30 AM
Greetings Lisa and All,
Wasn't quite sure what you were getting at, Lisa, when you started off with that "Hope you don't mind..." - and got me anti-mick-taking artillery out and girded me loins. There I was, loaded with adrenaline and nowhere vent it  :banghead: till I looked back to your earlier post and saw that great
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a nadie le estrañó.
Contrary to wot some of you may think, this is not a typo (the S key being so near the X key) - it's actually a common mistake in Spanish, similar to madrileños saying un tasis for "a taxi".  :technodevil:

Off to the wind farm thread, with its environmental impact studies and whatnots...
Regs.,
Technopat
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on July 12, 2008, 08:15 AM
Could this have been prevented? (http://www.iberianature.com/spainblog/2008/07/capercaillie-mansin-apparently-killed-by-stray-dog/)

Mansin, the Capercaillie who had recently made his home in villages in the Redes Natural Park, Asturias was yesterday found dead in Tarna. Villagers blame a stray dog for his death. Members of the environmental department of the Asturian government and officers from Seprona, the wildlife protection unit of the Civil Guard, have collected what’s left of his body which will be taken to Madrid for forensic tests. There will probably follow an enquiry as the bird, a member of a species threatened with extinction in Spain, was supposedly being monitored to ensure something like this didn’t happen.
It's too late now to talk of him being used in the new reproduction centre.
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: Technopat on July 18, 2008, 18:46 PM
Greetings All,
Hadn't seen Lisa's last posting here - too bad! But it makes me wonder how it ties in with the following:

SEO-Birdlife has just announced a campaign to raise awareness of the threats to capers and as well as other interesting details, their website has a 3-minute-ish video (complete with close-ups of 4x4s and quads).  (http://www.seo.org/programa_intro.cfm?idPrograma=72)

Of course, as one of iberianatureforum's leading sceptics - second only to Jesús - I can't but help trying to tie up loose ends:
i) the mystery of the appearance of the ex-parrotcapercaillie;
ii) the windpark halted in León,
iii) the sponsors participating in SEO-Birdlife's campaign include Iberdrola - the country's most important wind energy producer (and I think second ior third n the world).

Re. i) above, what's that technique they use in marketing to create demand?
Re. the three points above, what's that great expression Simon uses?

Regs.,
Technopat
Title: Re: Capercaillie
Post by: lisa on July 18, 2008, 20:55 PM
Re. i) loss leader? There's a suggestion on foropicos (http://www.foropicos.net/foro/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17530) that he was stolen as a chick and hand-reared, hence his behaviour.  :noidea:
Re. Simon's great expression, Darwin knows  :)