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Spanish mammals (lynx, bear, wolves, cabras, moufflon and the little furry creatures too). => Mammals of Iberia => Topic started by: spanishfreelander on October 08, 2007, 16:54 PM

Title: Performing Bears
Post by: spanishfreelander on October 08, 2007, 16:54 PM
Hi all,
I have been asked to post this image and views on the subject on the Mammal board.
The picture was taken on the 22/9/07 at Los Morales Medieval Market,near Sevilla.
Heather and I travelled up from Olvera as we thought it would be interesting to compare a "Spanish" Medieval Market to Medieval Markets we had been to in the uk.
We were very impressed with all the hard work and effort that the locals had put into turning the Castle Square into a replica of how things might have looked hundreds of years ago.
Quite a lot of them where in costumes of the period and the Moorish influence was something we hadnt taken into consideration,being more used to English Medieval markets.
There was a Falconer there,see pics on seperate thread,stilt walkers,jugglers,and a "Dancing Bear".

For us,everything was lovely up to the "Bear" part.
Having been to Zoos and Wildlife parks in the UK,i am not a great fan of them,Yes,i know they have a great part to play in animal conservation,and are helpful for experts to study animals,so in the long term they can help restock them in the wild.

I dont like to see animals in zoos...
my def of zoos..slightly bigger cages...
The local spanish population on the day seemed very happy to see the bear going through its "act".
If they were aware the way the Bear is taught these "tricks"..it didnt show on their faces.
As for heather and myself..it spoilt a nice day out...
To be thruthful,i felt a bit sick afterwards...
Im not sure where the bear came from,someone since then said it probally came from one of the Eastern European countries..
I just felt very sorry for it,probally locked up in a cage most of the week and taken out to do public shows..
Not much of a life,is it?
Dave
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Clive on October 08, 2007, 18:39 PM
Thanks for starting this topic Dave. It is a hard one because it involves the general human attitude towards captive animals

As a start I have found that the born free foundation have some background info on dancing bears. Although Spain isn't mentioned I think that that it is relevant because the bear you saw was probably from eastern Europe, possibly Bulgaria....

The article is quite blunt and the training practices to make a bear learn to dance are not for the feint hearted...

http://www.bornfree.org.uk/fileadmin/user_upload/files/zoo_check/Dancing_bears.pdf

Also relevant is the general attitude towards "Exotic Zoo animals" The following report from the same born free web site is interesting reading... The fact that Spanish Zoos seemed to gain a "blanket certificate of competence without the necessary checking is a normal occurrence and not just in Spain...

http://www.bornfree.org.uk/campaigns/zoo-check/zoos/spanish-zoos/

Well it is a start.. I don't pretend to have any answers or solutions but I do know that the scientific world sees this bear as the same species as the one being protected in the North of Spain... I need confirmation by an expert but this is a "European brown bear" is it not?

Clive
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Clive on October 08, 2007, 19:02 PM
I have just written to the born free foundation to see if they can shed some light on the subject... I will post the reply when/if i get one

Clive
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Technopat on October 08, 2007, 19:23 PM
Greetings Dave,
Before getting to grips with the real topic of this thread, and to play for time while I try to control my animal instinct to go out and cause GBH to assorted human beings responsible for allowing such things to take place, just thought re. your
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the Moorish influence was something we hadnt taken into consideration, being more used to English Medieval markets.

you might like to read the following extract (my bold print)
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While there is still some dispute the origin of the term "Morris", the most widely accepted theory is that the term was "moorish dance," "morisques" (in France), "moriskentanz" (in Germany), "moreška" (in Croatia), and "moresco" or "morisca" (in Italy and Spain), which eventually became "morris dance". Dances with similar names and some similar features are mentioned in Renaissance documents in France, Italy, Germany, Croatia, and Spain, throughout, in fact Catholic Europe. This is hardly surprising; by 1492 Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castille succeeded in driving the Moors out of Spain and unifying the country. In celebration of this a pageant known as a "Moresca" was devised and performed. This can still be seen performed in places such as Ainsa, Aragon. Incorporated into this pageant was the local dance - the Paloteao. This too can still be seen performed in the villages of Aragon. The similarity to what became known as the English "Morris" is undoubted. Early court records state that the "Moresque" was performed at court in her honour, including the dance - the "moresque" or "morisce" or "morys" dance.

from this typically unauthoritative, wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_dancing#Namesakes)

Now down to the real nitty gritty: I told Lisa recently that I wouldn't comment on the killing/deaths of bears as the issue, and its implications, were too much for me. And dismayed as I am to see history repeating itself, time and time again, the image from the "medieval" fair really doesn't surprise me in the slightest. By modern Spanish standards regarding animal rights, it really is quite tame/mild and if anyone complains to the organisers, as you mention, it'll just be blamed on the wandering "gypsies/Romanians/whoever".
However, the show as a whole will have been organised directly or indirectly by the local municipal authorities, the programme sanctioned by the regional government - and the huge bear itself, entered the country in someone's handbag.
Over to others.
Dismayed-but-not-surprised-regards,
Technopat
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Clive on October 08, 2007, 19:39 PM
what we need is for someone to politely ring up the ayuntamiento at Los Morales and ask for the entertainments manager... then ask for the contact details of the dancing bear man....

TP.. fancy a shroomy mission?

Clive
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on October 08, 2007, 19:46 PM
Thanks for posting that Dave. it took me a while to open the picture but had to do it to see the handler. I'd say def. eastern European and reckon probably Romanian or Bulgarian but the practice is banned in the latter and I'm not sure about the former. Didn't they both recently join the EU? I think you should complain to the ayuntamiento. They presumably organised the thing and are therefore responsible for its content. This troupe will be travelling around Spain I suppose, performing at other ferias - it has to be stopped. The Olive Press might be interested. Any other ideas anyone?
Will be pondering this overnight. It makes a complete mockery of the huge conservation efforts being made towards Spain's bears and I can't believe it is legal.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Clive on October 08, 2007, 20:22 PM
Letter off to the Olive press now to see if they will help us find out more info

Clive
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on October 08, 2007, 21:17 PM
I've just sent an email to Four Paws International (http://www.vierpfoten.org/website/output.php?id=1001&language=1) who run a rescue centre for dancing bears. Another in their first language, German, may not go amiss. Anyone?
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: tonyninfas on October 08, 2007, 22:46 PM
It is hard to believe that this sort of thing can still happen in this enlightened ? day and age.  As you say Dave most of the audience seem quite happy to witness such cruelty and I applaud how you both managed to keep you anger in check cos I know that I would have had great difficulty in holding back - even though I know that such action would get me nowhere, whereas the concerted action of the Forum could have an effect.  Sorry Lisa, but the only thing I know in German is how to count to five otherwise I would have been more than happy to write.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Simon on October 09, 2007, 07:44 AM
Hi Guys,

Good news for bad reasons is that cruelty to animals is now a criminal, as oppsosed to a civil, offense at least here in Catalonia. It's been used to prosecute ajuntaments in the Ebro region for allowing steeplechasing with ostriches.

This came about following the atrocity at Reus dogs rescue centre in 2001 or 2 (see me at www.sibes.org) I don't know if this law passed over to the wider state legislature but I'll try to find out - Nick or Lucy may be better informed than me.

Regards and tears

Simon
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on October 09, 2007, 07:56 AM
From laverdad.es, (http://www.laverdad.es/murcia/20070930/cartagena/convierte-gran-atraccion-mercado-20070930.html) - they were in Cartagena on the 30/9. The bear is called Tima.
There's a website http://www.mercadosmedievales.net/  (http://www.mercadosmedievales.net/) with dates on upcoming markets. This month from the 10th - Jerez de la Frontera, Granada, Murcia, Valencia and Madrid to name just a few. I also found a forum on the site in which appears a topic on the bear, (http://www.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=259&mforum=Foromedieval) from which it seems that the Sociedad Protectora de Animales y Plantas de Cádiz (http://www.refugiokimba.org/) reported the act in April!. (http://www.diarioinformacion.com/secciones/noticia.jsp?pNumEjemplar=2011&pIdSeccion=15&pIdNoticia=621796&rand=1176437540389) I've sent them an email asking for any info they can impart.
Dave, if you'd like to write a letter of complaint to the ayuntamiento de Los Morales (sic), I'd be happy to translate it for you. With your permission, I could try to divulge the facts further.






(http://www.laverdad.es/murcia/prensa/noticias/200709/30/fotos/010D7CTGP1_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: olivepress on October 09, 2007, 12:33 PM
Just been informed of this and have got someone on the case
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Simon on October 09, 2007, 21:26 PM
Hi Guys,

Just to stick my twop'th in. You may be better off complaing about the ajutamiento rather that to it. The AJ was the body responsible for granting licenses for street performances, etc. and likewise have to correspond to public safety, animal rights, etc.

I know I'm an old anarchist, but you have to hit where it hurts most!

Simey
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Tilley on October 09, 2007, 21:48 PM
@ spanishfreelander

Hi Dave

I would really like to talk to you about this for The Olive Press ... Any chance of sending a phone number to: writeaboutspain @gmail.com and I'll get in touch whenever it is convenient for you.

Best wishes, Lisa Tilley.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Clive on October 09, 2007, 23:21 PM
Hi Lisa Tilley, Welcome to our iberianature forum and thank you for your interest.

There are a lot of links posted in this topic mostly from myself and Lisa and I would suggest that you take a look at all of them to help you see the situation properly from both a European and Iberian standpoint.(the Spanish forum linked that show’s complaints earlier this year is especially important)... I am not sure that getting more words from Dave would help. I certainly would not want to see an exaggerated, headline grabbing article with quotes from bystanders... What you really need is factual information from the relevant people who have experience of this subject...

Great care has to be taken in this type of problem because IF this bear is here illegally without the correct papers then in reality it does not exist and as such it can (and will) disappear quite quickly and we will never learn of its fate. This would be an un acceptable result to all of us I am sure.

You should also look at the web site Asociación de Cuidadores de Animales Salvajes http://www.aicas.org/asociacion.htm they may be able to help and I see they have a representative in Jerez de la Frontera…

For me this is a very important subject… The European brown bear is an endangered species in Spain and as such has the fullest “protection” at European level in order to ensure its survival. To have the same species of bear in a street show “dancing” for people shows a complete and utter disregard for this protected status…

Please see an article on the Cantabrian brown bear with all the links you need to find out more at

The Cantabrian Brown Bear (http://www.wildsideholidays.com/natural/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=78:cantabrian-brown-bear&catid=73:mammals-of-iberia&Itemid=74)

Sorry, lots of links but I guess you are used to that for your journalistic research. ? please keep in touch.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: steveT on October 10, 2007, 02:02 AM
Dear all,

This is terrible. This brown bear is Cites Appendix 11 ( and it could be 1 but unlikely) and for this reason alone the situation must be illegal.....will try to find advice.

steveT
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Tilley on October 10, 2007, 09:58 AM
@ Steve T

where is appendix 11?

best wishes,

LisaT
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: steveT on October 10, 2007, 12:25 PM
Dear LiaT,

Cites ( covention on the international trade of endangered species). Spain agreed to enforce the convention from 1986. it is legally binding internationally but done so by ensuring a countries national legal set up enforces this ( I'm no lawyer so the previous sentence is a my undersatnding and may be incorrect but I think that's the basic idea).

You have Appendix 1, 2 and 3 ( shown as Roman numerals usually)......1 is for most endangered species.

Brown bears are appendix 2, except for some asian sub species which are 1.

See the Cities website

steveT
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Clive on October 10, 2007, 22:08 PM
Back from a long day out.... No mediaeval market in Jerez.... Though the website http://www.mercadosmedievales.net/#1 says it was from today to the 13th.... The info centre in Jerez told Sue it was in three weeks time.....

Clive
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Tilley on October 10, 2007, 23:02 PM
@ todos

I've had a reply through the AICAS forum. Someone who claims to know the bear and his trainers well and insists that this is the only bear in Europe with permission to perform at ferias of this type. He used to be in a Russian circus, lived in distressing conditions and was rescued, apparently. When the bear is not performing he lives in an "incredible" complex in his home country. Full reply below...

I think he is telling the truth which almost makes it more distressing - that this can still be legal here. We still know nothing of the original training methods which were used to condition this animal into performing, not to mention the amount of traveling and dancing he must do to line someone's pockets...

Dave, I would still really like to talk to you about what you saw.

Kind regards


Conzco muy bien a el cuidador y al oso, fue contratado por Antonio Ibañez (mi exjefe, propietario de la reserva del Castillo de las Guardas - Sevilla, safari Madrid y safari de Elche) y actuo en canal sur Waku Waku, yo los acompañe a los dos, ya que yo era el cetrero del parque y llevaba un calao trompetero y un caracara. Antes de salir para plato, el seprona y el SOIBRE hizieron las respectivas comprobaciones y gestiones en el parque, y todo estaba en regla. La procedencia es norte europea, no se de que pais concretamente y no es el oso pardo que todos nos pensamos. Es el unico oso en Europa que tiene permiso para actuar en ferias y platos, por su procedencia, era propiedad de un circo ruso y vivia en circunstancias penosas, lo requisaron y este hombre se ocupo de el, cuando no actua esta en su pais natal y tiene una istalaciones increibles, muy bien aclimatadas. Por algo las autoridades consienten esto....no creeis???. Tiene contabilizadas las actuaciones al año, para no extresar al animal. Personalmente me lo pase muy bien con ellos y es increible comprobar el trabajo que ha realizado con este animal y lo unidos que estan.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Tilley on October 11, 2007, 14:43 PM
@ todos

 According to protetora Kimba - this is totally legal and the bear has all the correct papers. Nevertheless the organisation has complained on a number of occasions for the damage that such a show does to the bear. They suggest filing an official complaint to the local authority in the particular town and sending a copy to the Guardia Civil.

Full reply ...

decirle que efectivamente nosotros denunciamos en julio del 2006 ese bochornoso espectáculo, y nos contestaron oficialmente que el animal estaba legalmente en España y que su dueño tenía todos los documentos pertinentes. De lo que nadie contesta es del tremendo daño que se le hace obligandolo a realizar todo tipo de movimientos impropios para él.
 
Deben presentar una denuncia en la Delegación de Gobernación de la localidad en donde éste actuando, y enviar copia a la Guardia Civil. En ella si quieren pueden hacer referencia a la que nosotros pusimos en la fecha indicada anteriormente.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Technopat on October 11, 2007, 16:30 PM
Sad greetings All,
Have only just caught up with this thread again after my first visit, so missed your call to set off on a 'Shroomy mission, Clive. Just as well, really, 'cos my initial anger might have led me to blow it. Having cooled down somewhat since then, a couple of things I need to get off my chest:

a) I was particularly distressed by Clive's
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Great care has to be taken in this type of problem because IF this bear is here illegally without the correct papers then in reality it does not exist and as such it can (and will) disappear quite quickly and we will never learn of its fate. This would be an un acceptable result to all of us I am sure.
which held me back in making my original idea of suggesting setting off a chain reaction and lobbying the municipal authorities involved in future bookings of this particular "show". Unfortunately, even if there were to be a response and the "show" forbidden, I'm sure there are plenty of other countries in the EU which would accept it. So as is so often the case, pushing it underground or out of sight is def. not the solution. The world trade in animals which have a far higher dgree of protection is a booming business ...

b) The following three quotes from the AICAS forum is someone's personal opinion and cannot be taken as authoritative.
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...cuando no actua esta en su pais natal y tiene una istalaciones increibles, muy bien aclimatadas.

In no way does it reduce the grotesqueness of the situation to justify it by saying that the animal's home is great (s/he isn't there living in comfort right now); and much less by saying, and trying to convince us with the following gem:
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Por algo las autoridades consienten esto....no creeis???.
and to top it all:
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Personalmente me lo pase muy bien con ellos
and all three could equally be applied to toros.

I totally agree with Simon
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better off complaining about the ajutamiento rather that to it.
and as I have mentioned elsewhere, the local Guardia Civil are probably not interested in the slightest, although they obviously have to process anybody's complaint, it might take months before said complaint reaches the Del. de Gobierno, whereas their specialised unit, Seprona  (http://www.guardiacivil.org/quesomos/organizacion/operaciones/seprona/) is less likely to be swayed by local interests and lobbies.

Technopat
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Clive on October 11, 2007, 17:24 PM
the great Wikipedia has an article on brown bear population coverage (usual pinch of salt needed but.....)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Brown_Bear

I still want to know the species name of this dancing bear... Is it ursos arctos or ursus arctos arctos

Clive

Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Clive on October 11, 2007, 17:34 PM
The iucn red list entry seems a bit odd...

http://www.iucnredlist.org/search/details.php/41688/all

The list of regions where the brown bear is extinct is greater than the list of native regions....

Also it is extinct in all of those places but is only marked as LR/lc  (lower risk plus least concern)

Sorry but that is stupid.......

Clive
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on October 11, 2007, 21:17 PM
.....Hello, Good evening and Welcome to "Name that bear!"

From the Integrated Taxonomic Information System (ITIS); (http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=202383)

Ursus arctos arctos  Linnaeus, 1758
Taxonomic Serial No.: 202383

 Taxonomy and Nomenclature         
  Kingdom: Animalia   
  Taxonomic Rank: Subspecies   
  Synonym(s):     
  Common Name(s): brown bear [English]
   
       
  Taxonomic Status:     
  Current Standing: valid   
       
  Data Quality Indicators:     
  Record Credibility Rating: verified - standards met   
       
 

 Taxonomic Hierarchy         
  Kingdom Animalia  -- Animal, animals, animaux   
     Phylum Chordata  -- chordates, cordado, cordés   
        Subphylum Vertebrata  -- vertebrado, vertebrates, vertébrés   
           Class Mammalia Linnaeus, 1758 -- mamífero, mammals, mammifères   
              Subclass Theria Parker and Haswell, 1897   
                 Infraclass Eutheria Gill, 1872   
                    Order Carnivora Bowdich, 1821 -- cachorro do mato, carnivores, carnivores, carnívoro, gato do mato, lontra   
                       Suborder Caniformia Kretzoi, 1938 -- dog-like carnivores   
                          Family Ursidae Fischer de Waldheim, 1817 -- bears   
                             Genus Ursus Linnaeus, 1758 -- bears   
                                Species Ursus arctos Linnaeus, 1758 -- Brown Bear, Grizzly Bear, Oso pardo   
                                   Subspecies Ursus arctos arctos Linnaeus, 1758 -- brown bear
 



Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Clive on October 12, 2007, 13:02 PM
I was thinking......

Exactly who and where is the issuing office that has the power to grant a Europe wide licence for this dancing bear? I am afraid I smell a rat here somewhere...Like if I had a dancing bear who would I ring up to ask for the form to fill out....?

Although there are Europe wide laws, individual countries still have their own rules and regulations.... You can bet that this “licence” does not cover the UK...

Also where is the bear now whilst it is not living in it’s palace in Russia?

Clive
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on October 12, 2007, 14:08 PM
I've been thinking too.
The bear has the documents/passport to travel - so here legally, it's been deemed healthy - so no obvious abuse, Seprona have checked it out -  ???  ???  ???
I bet there is no law against performing animals in the calle so there's nothing anyone can do about it. If it's all above board, why are they not advertising it?
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on October 13, 2007, 09:48 AM
I've got a letter going round in my head protesting the sanctioning of this spectacle on the streets of a supposedly modern, first-world country as is Spain (?!). I'm thinking I could print it out with the photos and circulate it by post to anyone that wants to sign it. But who to address it to? Actually there would be two, one in English and one in Spanish. I'm thinking nationally and on an EU level.
While we wait for news on the fate of this particular bear, I suggest you join me in signing a petition on the IFAW (http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=127541) (International Fund for Animal Welfare) website urging the Russian government to stop the hunting of hibernating bears. Trophy hunters (mainly westerners) are paying for this "sport" of using hunting dogs to sniff out bear dens so the hunters can then shoot the bear as it emerges. This practice could leave orphaned cubs to the same, or worse, fate as the bear now in Spain. Donations to IFAW could help finance rehabilitation centres (http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=9049) for the Russian bears.
Check out this video (http://www.animalrescueblog.org/2006/10/video_feature_r.html) on IFAW's Animal Rescue Blog.

Darwin! If I'd made more of an effort to understand my biology teacher (from the northern part of a certain emerald isle) I could be out in the field now working to help save the odd endangered species or two instead of boring you lot with petitions.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Technopat on October 13, 2007, 13:36 PM
Greetings Lisa,
Signed, but have a doubt over summat you mentioned previously: you wrote, re. unacceptable bear show:
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Seprona have checked it out -
- on what do you base that?
Intrigued regs.
Technopat
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on October 13, 2007, 15:48 PM
Hi TP, from the reply to Tilley on the AICAS forum;
 "Antes de salir para plato, el seprona y el SOIBRE hizieron las respectivas comprobaciones y gestiones en el parque, y todo estaba en regla."
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: tonyninfas on October 13, 2007, 21:23 PM
Lisa - signed.

Rather than print off a copy of a letter and send by post to those who wished to sign, would it not be possible to put it as an attachement to a Forum posting ?  Then those who wished to sign and send could print it off for themselves.  It could save you a great deal of money.

Tony
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on October 14, 2007, 07:09 AM
Well I wasn't planning on paying all the postage myself Tony. Everyone could pay for a stamp to pass it on. That way we'd have original signatures....or am I being dense?
I've been thinking some more, and this is really the crux - if you'd rescued an animal from a life of slavery, would you make it carry on performing?  The eyes have got me.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Clive on October 16, 2007, 17:04 PM
An article has appeared in the Olive Press

http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/10/16/dancing-bears-in-spain-cause-public-outcry/

Clive
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: tonyninfas on October 16, 2007, 21:09 PM
Hi Lisa
No, I was not expecting you to pay for lots of postage, and that is what worried me that you were perhaps considering sending out individual letters to everyone that wanted to sign.  I just thought that if the letter was on the Forum that every person who wanted to could print it off and that way the authorities would receive a deluge of letters.  Although I understand that Dave was worried that a great number of individual complaints could drive the owners underground I thought that perhaps a great number of individual complaints could force the authorities into taking some action.  Perhaps it is me being dense, not you.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: Tilley on October 19, 2007, 07:10 AM
http://www.mcu.es/artesEscenicas/CE/Contacte.html

Información INAEM
Plaza del Rey n.º 1 - 6.ª planta
28004 Madrid
Teléfono: 91 701 70 14
Fax: 91 701 73 96

contact info for the ministry of culture (art and music dept) - this is the department which finances circuses without asking questions about the condition of the animals.
They need to stop funding circuses with animals in full stop.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on October 19, 2007, 08:50 AM
Thanks Lisa T. That'll be the Spanish target for the letter then and the European Parliament's Animal Welfare Intergroup (http://www.eurogroupforanimals.org/intergroup/intergroup.htm) will be the other, unless anyone has any other suggestions...
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on November 14, 2007, 14:53 PM
Oso Tima (http://www.bicharracas.com/)
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: nick on December 02, 2007, 11:14 AM
Is this the bear?

http://actualidad.terra.es/sociedad/articulo/aprehendidos_circo_oso_pardo_serpiente_2078090.htm

Aprehendidos en un circo un oso pardo, una serpiente pitón y dos chimpancés


Agentes del Servicio de Protección de la Naturaleza (Seprona) de la Guardia Civil han aprehendido una serpiente pitón, dos chimpancés y un oso pardo en un circo instalado en Málaga cuyo titular será imputado por un supuesto delito contra la flora y la fauna, por no tener su documentación en regla.

Esta actuación, que tiene carácter cautelar, se produjo tras una inspección al circo en la que se detectaron irregularidades en la documentación de algunos animales, ha informado el instituto armado en una nota de prensa.

En virtud del Convenio Internacional de Especies Amenazadas de fauna y flora silvestre (CITES), el titular de los animales será imputado por un delito contra la flora y la fauna por el comercio de especies amenazadas.
Title: Re: Performing Bears
Post by: lisa on December 02, 2007, 14:27 PM
I shouldn't think so Nick. Have you looked at the link in my last post before yours?