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« on: April 10, 2007, 17:07 PM »
Dear All
Our local pair of wood pigeons( Esp:Paloma Torquaz) (Lat: Columba Palumbus), have set up nest on the banks of the Bernsga. Probably not one of the most popular birds in the world, but what a beauty, they have been courting regularly, on the terrace, their cooing so soporific. Only one problem, above them in another nest are a pair of Magpies ( Esp : Urraca0 (Esp:Pica Pica) and we know what they are like as nest robbers, but we will see.
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2007, 01:38 AM »
Greetings Dave and All,
Always been impressed by the number of what I had always taken to be dis-used palomares * in your part of the country, but on my last lightning visit up North, saw that one fairly large one was being restored/refurbished or whatever it is they call it when you do up a place made of adobe (no, Dave - I am not referring to the marinated stuff that you might get as a tapa - that's adobo).

Point is,
a) is it a one-off phenomenon?;
b) is the economy so bad that people are taking to breeding their own birds?;
c) are they possibly being bred for hunting purposes?;
d) might these shelters not also be a focal point for other migrating birds?;
e) if so, would there be a subsequent risk of bird flu being spread as a result?;
f) is the Junta de Castilla y León encouraging landowners to spruce up their palomares in much the same way that Asturias subsidised the restauration of hórreos a few years back?; and/or
g) as a local lad, do you know of, or can you think of, any other reason?

* as is so often the case, dictionaries do not take into regional/national variations of the theme - mine gives dovecote (if small) or pidgeon shed (if large). First time I have found mine to be lacking oomph! These two words do not, I think, acceptably describe a palomar.

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Technopat

Ps.
Nick posted something somewhere about Pica picas grabbing bats as they flew out of their "batteries" (well, why not - you've got yer rookeries) and snarfing them with much glee - seem to remember a pic., too, but it's too late at night for me to start searching.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2008, 23:20 PM by Technopat »
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2007, 16:31 PM »
Hi Technopat and everyone.
The Tierra del pan and part of the south of Leon province are famous for their Palomeras, they are as emblematic as the white post mills of La Mancha, originally they served a dual purpose, when the corn was planted and growing, they kept down the insect population, and in winter provided a ready source of meat, when it was in short supply. I am not sure about the latter being such a good idea, as the Paloma family are also big cereal pests. The conservation of the Palomeras is explained fully on the following Web page http://www.villafafila.com/default2.asp.
Lots of birds use the Palomeras, the most notable being the Cernicalo primilla (Eng: Lesser Kestrel) (Lat: Falco naumanni)
Also in Villafafila reserve there is an information centre about the Palomeras, sadly, I have yet to find it open, despite the fact it is fairly new. Certainly Dovecote is the best translation, I remember a very old one in the land of grey, that was a large, freestanding, stone built ediifice, so important that the street was called Dovecote lane.
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Dave

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2007, 16:41 PM »
I love these buildings, but don't know much about them.  I wrote this short thing here:

http://www.iberianature.com/material/palomares_pigeon_spain.html

Magpie bat video here http://www.iberianature.com/material/bats_spain.html#magpie. Is this what you mean?

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 23:35 PM »
Greetings Nick and Dave and All,
So what is the Meaning of Life?

Nice one, Nick! - should have known better than to bring up a "new" line of enquiry without first checking out iberianature.com.
And yes, those were the bat-eating magpies I meant. Thanx.

Not bad, Dave! Had a feeling you'd be onto these. Once saw a collection of photos from 50s and 60s - possibly earlier - showing Spain's rural architectural heritage, and among other buildings, it had some really spectacular dovecotes, size-wise and design-wise. Have never actually seen any such fine examples in real life (probably all buried under gold courses), only derelict ones, but will follow up the link you've kindly and thoughtfully provided.
And now that you've mentioned it, do remember the odd Dovecote Ave/Lane/Rd etc, back you-know-where.

The iberianature forum does it again! Thanx, folks!
Impressed regs.
Technopat
« Last Edit: January 14, 2008, 23:20 PM by Technopat »
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2007, 15:43 PM »
Dave and All,
Followed up dovecote (guess where!) and came across the following, with some interesting pix:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dovecote

And for those of you who are polyglots:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombier_%28%C3%A9difice%29 (help you in your sobremesa when visiting the in-laws)

Regs.
Technopat
« Last Edit: April 17, 2007, 16:07 PM by Technopat »
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 20:09 PM »
Greetings All,
Yet another of those threads that get left by the wayside - but which thanks to serious lobbying by yours truly finally lost the stigma of the red writing warning us of inactivity - and the subject of palomares comes to the fore again  :clapping:

Heard on the radio today that the Asociación para promover la protección de los palomares en la provincia de León was set up last month. Their immediate aim is to carry out a census of the existing palomares, with a long-term aim of preparing tourist routes.

I s'pose our Friendly Neighbourhood iberianatureforumer from the León Fraction aka Dave was too busy counting 'is chickens crows rooks to pick up on it, but here's the gen in the local rag: http://www.la-cronica.net/2009/09/02/comarcas/leon-dispondra-de-su-primer-censo-de-palomares-tradicionales-48160.htm

Their Web site is as follows - my PC is too wonky to get anything out of it but with a bit of luck you might find summat interesting there: http://webs.ono.com/palomaresdeleon

An interesting detail they mentioned was that apart from the egg aspect of the thing, which I had taken for granted was the be-all-and-end-all of the whole gig, they made good use of the droppings as fertilizer, but I forget the Spanish name they used.

Bowing-out-gracefully regs.,
Technopat



« Last Edit: October 26, 2009, 22:38 PM by Technopat »
Technopat's disclaimer: If this posting seems over the top and/or gets your goat (Sp. anyone?), please accept my apologies and don't take it personally - it's just my instinctive tendency to put my foot in it whenever/wherever possible. See also:
http://www.iberianatureforum.com/index.php/topic,266