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Offline spanishfreelander

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« on: July 31, 2007, 00:09 AM »
Hi,
I know i was really lucky to take this pic,as people have been in spain far longer than me and never seen any at all.
What is slightly worrying me is...  are they really wild boars or some sort of cross breeding with the local pigs up here near Zahara?

The rear one looks very "Boarish"..but the 2 in front look more "piggy".

You have been great with answering all my questions so far..would love you to help solve this one as well.
Thanks
Dave


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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 00:19 AM »
Hola,

What you have there are commonly known in the restaurants around here as Cerdo Iberico, a breed of black pig from Iberia that are raised in the pastures and often fed on acorns before being killed giving it a distinct "oaky" flavour.

The best quality ones make the pata negra (black foot) Jamon Serrano. The red ones like yours in the back of the picture are crosses and are frowned upon for use with any type of Jamon. Pork chops and sausages i am afraid...

Sorry Dave but they aren't wild boar......

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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2007, 00:24 AM »
Thank you very much Clive.
I Would rather be 100% sure of something,than walking around thinking i had the pic i really would love to have.
On the same subject,the ammount of "british2 over here who saw the pic all said boar as well...lol

Just shows you,they should be all spending more time in the campo than they do..lol
Thanks again
Dave

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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2007, 10:37 AM »
Actually Jamón Serrano and Jamón Iberico are different categories, the former being ham from any breed, the latter the finest and possibly the most expensive pig product on the planet: Included within the Jamón iberico is the idea of Pata Negra, but this in itself is not a sign of quality. as it merely indicates the quantity of keratin on the hoof.
Really Pata Negra is a popular and advertising term rather than a true category as there are lower quality jamones de pata negra and higher quality jamones ibericos which don't have a pata negra.

If you want the best you want a jamón iberico de bellota  - jamón iberico (breed) de bellota (acorn-fed, free range).

Within this there are regions and estates which produce better hams (for example, Jabugo, Guijello)

The wiki page in English doesn't really get it right. The Spanish one does:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam%C3%B3n

By the way, I wrote this last year about wild boar
http://www.iberianature.com/material/wild_boar_spain.html
« Last Edit: August 04, 2007, 10:48 AM by nick »
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2007, 15:05 PM »
Greetings All,
Good summary, Nick, and excellent article at iberianature.com!
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Really Pata Negra is a popular and advertising term rather than a true category as there are lower quality jamones de pata negra and higher quality jamones ibericos which don't have a pata negra.
, it's a point I long since gave up trying to make with the inlaws (long story - upshot is that I no longer receive the Xmas pata negra that the rest of the yernos get! Not complaining! Have my own source  :dancing:.)
Think I mentioned elsewhere that there are apparently no longer 'real' wild boar in Spain as they are all descended from stock bred for cinegética (arte de la caza - Eng. anyone?) and have been lucky enough to escape that particular hunting season ...
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2007, 19:49 PM »
hi Everybody
Also do not forget, when jamon is described as de Hembra, it is also inferior quality, according to my wife, sorry nothing sexist intended.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2007, 13:45 PM »
Greetings Dave,
Interesting - didn't know that one!
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2007, 14:01 PM »
Neither did I. Are you sure?
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2007, 14:19 PM »
Oh yes? no wild boar? what a load of pigs whatsit.
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2007, 14:22 PM »
............and why should female make a difference to quality of pig?
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2007, 14:55 PM »
Hi Everyone
I did not mean any offence, but apparently, de Hembra only refers to Jamon serrano, she thinks perhaps the flavour is not so good, having said that we like it.
I have also just read that de Hembra is higher in fat content, so perhaps that is reason it is cheaper.
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« Last Edit: August 07, 2007, 15:29 PM by Dave »

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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2007, 21:02 PM »
>:D
Greetings All,
Did toy with the idea of contributing to this thread with plays on words referring to a piece of leg, and variations on the theme, but reading between the lines and given the looming stormclouds, shall wisely refrain from doing so. Pity, some of them were actually amusing ...

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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2007, 11:00 AM »
After saying I'd never seen "hembra" before I'm now seeing it everywhere, but not in so much in Barcelona.

Dave, you say it only refers to jamón serrano not ibérico? Is that right?
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2007, 12:27 PM »
hi Nick
I have only seen it on Serranoand so far only in Mercadona,
regards
Dave

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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2007, 13:15 PM »
Just checked. Yes, only applies to serrano/del pais
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