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« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2007, 14:44 PM »
It's a great page the Sierra de Baza web. Check it out
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« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2007, 15:56 PM »
Greetings All,
Many thanx for links - will check 'em out this evening. Just got to send this off before I forget: Had interesting chat with my friendly-neighbourhood hunter - the one who  blames the ecologistas for everything - who had a different take on this whole biz.
He reckons that what the private estate owners - especially in the Montes de Toledo, which is where the richest one have their estates - are doing is renting out their estates to the highest bidder (i.e. public administrations - receiving European funds), setting up photo sessions to make their client feel that their money is being put to good use.
On the other hand, am especially chuffed 'cos when he asked where the video had been taken, he first answered himself mentioning a place near to my paw print, but I insisted that it had been Montes de Toledo, to which he said that makes sense ('cos of abundance of aforementioned estates.)
The other aspect was that the guys renting out their estates to lynx experiments were also taking advantage to breed rabbits, which they were then sellling off, thus getting a double use out of their land.

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« Last Edit: October 25, 2007, 22:53 PM by Technopat »
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« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2007, 22:51 PM »
Hi Nuno,

I can confirm you that there are no lynx in Portugal since 10 years ago more or less. Now there are about 120 animals left all of them in Andalusia. There is a population of 30 individuals in Doñana and about 90 in Sierra Morena. The species is very difficult to see at this places indeed.

I am lucky because I am working in the captive breeding programme so I see them everyday but unfortunatelly not in the wild. We are keeping them in a center in Doñana, another in Jaen and in Zoobotanico Jerez were I work. We only keep 4 animals at our zoo and they are off the public. We are working hard to be able to reintroduce the first animals from the captive breeding programme in 2010.

Portugal is also involved in the programme and they are going to build a breeding center in El Algarve very soon. They are also working in the field to improve the habitat and the rabits population in order to get a good place to reintroduce the species in the near future.

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« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2007, 22:59 PM »
What do you reckon Iñigo about the new discovery of lynxes in Castilla-La Mancha?
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« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2007, 23:14 PM »
Hi Nick,

I am sorry, it is my first day at this forum and I replied Nuno´s  message before seeing the others.

I am also very sceptical as all the Spanish people working with the species. I must confirm that Miguel Delibes is not in charge of the ex- situ programme although he is involve of course. You can be sure that none of us working on the captive breeding programme are willing to have the monopoly of the species as it has been suggested. We would be very happy if this new is confirmed but we must wait. There has been some similar news in the past in Casilla-La Mancha and Madrid but they finally didn´t demostrate the presence of animals. I told Nuno they were difficult to see in the field but they are easy to control with fototrapping as it has been demostrated in the remnat populations and we have no "oficial" pictures on these animals. There is a lot of politics behind the scene.

I wish this new population would be true but we must wait to know a bit more about the issue.


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« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2007, 23:22 PM »
Thanks Iñigo,

No doubt your reservation is wise. It is such a strange story. I've always suspected they might be isolated old indiviidual lynx in other areas which were effectively "biologically extinct"  - but what is being suggested is something else...could these lynx have dispersed from Andalucian Sierra Morena?

As you say we need to know more about the issue
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« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2007, 12:08 PM »
I am trying to track down a person who claimed he saw a lynx in the Malaga province in the El chorro area about 6 years ago. He lived in the area and wrote for a local newspaper.... At that time (and still now). I believe that he very possibly did see one and that it may have been an isolated individual in the way that you mention Nick..

We hiked the area a couple of months ago and certainly the territory is very quiet with a good amount of food supply such as rabbit and partridge.

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« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2007, 15:13 PM »
Greetings All,
First of all, apologies to Iñigo re. your
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You can be sure that none of us working on the captive breeding programme are willing to have the monopoly of the species as it has been suggested.
for insinuating that Delibes and all the people involved were trying to maintain a monopoly - I was thinking of the political aspect of the whole thing and its implications.
Second, re. the non-photo-trap-style pics and the JCM director-general's interview, or whatever it was, with El País, it has been suggested to me by someone who knows that as always, the politicos just patch together a few soundbites and then spout off about what they haven't actually read up on to any great extent - much to the dismay of the technicians who have done their best to brief them. (Although at director-general level, they would normally be technicians, as opposed to mere politicos  >:D)

Regs.,
Technopat

PS.
Re. Clive's mention of an isolated lynx in Malaga and other possible one-off sightings in non-lynx-related areas of the country - does anyone know the daily range of an isolated lynx on the run? The president of the Madrid CA's suggestion of putting up electrified fences to prevent lynx straying onto autovías that they want to construct through all the protected areas in Madrid notwithstanding, would Mr/Ms Lynx be able to travel far in search of mate/food, or do they stick to known territory?
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« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2007, 20:43 PM »
Dear TP,

When I first read your question, I thought these shy creatures probably don't wander far...........then I remembered an article written in March/April this year about American lynx. There has been a captive release programme from 1999 in SW Colorado........many have stayed locally but some have travelled 100s of miles. They are not iberian lynx, but there's no reason why iberian lynx couldn't do the same...........however travelling 100s of miles across Spain would mean crossing alot of unfavourable environments.

It has been mentioed that there could be lynx in the Alcaraz area ......  does anyone know if the Albacete/Jaen autovia is going ahead? I understand the Toledo/Corodoba one has be shelved.......is this correct?

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« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2007, 21:01 PM »
Greetings steveT,
Thanx for that. Don't know current state of autovias you mention, but came across an El País article on the Despeñaperros stretch which am posting under a suitable topic/thread on the Environment board. Will continue the search.
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« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2007, 22:43 PM »
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« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2007, 08:55 AM »
Re. dispersal of Iberian lynx, from what I've read they'll travel between 10-20km on average and, at the most, 30km in search of territory which, also on average, will eventually be some 10sq.km. Within this boundary they cover an average of about 7km a day. geocities Linx pardinus.
With the loss of habitat being one of the prime reasons for their possible extinction, it must be hard to say how much this could be extended by if the unnatural obstacles didn't exist.....?
Clive, have you tried the linceiberico forum for your person in Malaga? There are posts on there with sightings.
SteveT, I don't know about the Jaen/Albacete m'way but WWF/Adena have a campaign to break up an illegally-built road in Doñana. (Sorry if I've already posted that link somewhere else!)
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« Reply #72 on: October 29, 2007, 14:05 PM »
The Fundación Biodiversidad are hosting a seminar on the emergency conservation plans needed for the Iberian lynx on the 5th of Nov. (some of us should be able to remember  ::) the date) in Seville.
Should be interesting!!

Seminario
El Pacto Ibérico por el Lince:
Un Plan de Emergencia para la Conservación del Lince Ibérico
Sevilla, 5 de noviembre de 2007
Salón de Actos de la Fundación Biodiversidad
Patio de Banderas, 16 · 41004 Sevilla
Programa
10.00 h Inauguración
  María Artola González. Directora, Fundación Biodiversidad
10.15 h Diagnóstico de situación del Lince Ibérico: problemática actual
  Urs Breitenmoser. Grupo de Especialistas Felinos, Unión Mundial para la
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  Francisco Palomares. Estación Biológica de Doñana / CSIC
  Miguel Ángel Simón. Consejería de Medio Ambiente, Junta de Andalucía
*** pendiente de confirmación ***
  Antonio Rivas. Programa de Cría en Cautividad del Lince Ibérico, Centro
de Cría “El Acebuche”
12.00 h Pausa
12.30 h Líneas de acción y compromisos para la conservación del Lince Ibérico
  La Estrategia Nacional de Conservación del Lince Ibérico y el Plan de
Cría en Cautividad. Cristina Narbona. Ministra de Medio de Ambiente,
Gobierno de España
  Estrategias y medidas para la recuperación del Lince Ibérico en
Portugal. Francisco Nunes Correia. Ministro de Medio Ambiente,
Ordenación del Territorio y Desarrollo Regional, Gobierno de Portugal
  Estrategias y medidas para la recuperación del Lince Ibérico en
Andalucía. Fuensanta Coves Botella. Consejera de Medio Ambiente,
Junta de Andalucía
  Estrategias y medidas para la recuperación del Lince Ibérico en
Castilla La Mancha. Jose Luis Martínez Guijarro. Consejero de Medio
Ambiente y Desarrollo Rural, Junta de Castilla La Mancha
  Estrategias y medidas para la recuperación del Lince Ibérico en
Extremadura. José Luis Navarro Ribera. Consejero de Industria, Energía
y Medio Ambiente, Junta de Extremadura
14.00 h Pausa
Seminario
El Pacto Ibérico por el Lince:
Un Plan de Emergencia para la
Conservación del Lince Ibérico
16.30 h Mesa redonda: Retos en la conservación del Lince Ibérico
Modera: Julia Vera Prieto. Directora de Formación, Fundación Biodiversidad
  Miguel Aymerich. Subdirector General de Vida Silvestre, Ministerio de.
Medio Ambiente. España
  Urs Breitenmoser. Grupo de Especialistas Felinos, Unión Mundial para la
Naturaleza (UICN)
  Antonio Rivas. Programa de Cría en Cautividad del Lince Ibérico, Centro
de Cría “El Acebuche”
  Juan Carlos del Olmo. Secretario General, WWF/ADENA
  Theo Oberhuber. Coordinador General, Ecologistas en Acción
18.30 h Cierre
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« Reply #73 on: October 29, 2007, 14:26 PM »
I guess this may provide some answers. Thanks for that Lisa
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« Reply #74 on: October 29, 2007, 15:22 PM »
Well we should be able to get a bit of inside information from Iñigo as he is a part of the breeding project at the Jerez Zoo.... :)

We were at Jerez zoo the other day and whilst looking at the red lynx (lynx lynx) Sue overheard an English guy say to his wife "that was what ran in front of the car ages ago, remember I told you?)....

So I chased him down and asked him if he had seen one and he was 99 percent sure that about four years ago he had seen an Iberian lynx cross the road at night in front of his car... (this was after he smiled benignly at me and told me that lynx lynx didn't come from this country and what he saw was a Spanish lynx....)

He had seen this lynx about 2 years after a guy reported a sighting in roughly the same area known as El Chorro which is quite isolated land between Malaga and Antequera (I am still trying to track down the first guy)..

We went for a walk in the area with a guide a few months back and he also mentioned that people every now and again think they have seen a lynx....

Clive
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« Reply #75 on: November 01, 2007, 12:24 PM »
Dan Ward has just sent me the latest lynx brief, the excellent newsletter focusing on the conservation of the Iberian Lynx.
http://www.iberianature.com/spainblog/2007/11/01/new-lynx-brief-2/

http://www.iberianature.com/material/documents/LynxBrief9E.pdf

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« Reply #76 on: November 01, 2007, 13:12 PM »
Greetings Nick and All,
Thanx for that!
Interesting to see the circumstances under which the Portuguese lynx breeding programme has come about/is to be set up.

steveT had asked about the current state of the AP 41 between Toledo and Cordoba and this newsletter refers to it but with news from May, so no news is good news?

Regs.,
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« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2007, 18:49 PM »
Numbers! from El País

"Entre los dos núcleos andaluces se estima que vive una población de entre 200 y 250 individuos y que este año han nacido 44 cachorros, según informó ayer la consejera de Medio Ambiente, Fuensanta Coves. A ellos se suma el grupo localizado en Castilla-La Mancha, formado por 15 animales (seis cachorros y nueve adultos o casi), una señal saludable de que el animal vuelve por antiguos territorios. Hasta los ochenta fue posible encontrarlo también en Extremadura, Castilla y León y Portugal."

(Around 9 adults and 6 young.)

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« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2007, 20:18 PM »
This is several take on this on linceforo http://www.ellinceiberico.com/foro/viewtopic.php?t=476

I hope they are wrong

But whatever the case in Sierra Morena at least the lynx appears to be recovering
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« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2007, 14:32 PM »
I've done a summary of the above El Pais article for the blog
http://www.iberianature.com/spainblog/2007/11/07/latest-lynx-population-numbers/

The latest figures for Iberian lynx appear to be promising. There are now estimated to be between 200 and 250 individuals (including cubs) in Andalucia. 44 cubs were born this year in the two encalves of Sierra Morena and Doñana. Added to this is the possible existence (sorry, still need to be convinced on this) of a population in Castilla-La Mancha (CLM), made up of 15 animals (six cubs and nine adults). According to CLM authorities these lynxes were first detected in July 2002 and have since been “located” on 45 occasions. What is strange is that the official 2004 census ruled out the animal’s presence in CLM after 14,571 photo traps. If true, however, there are now between 215 and 265 Iberian lynx in Spain in the wild.

There are also now 37 individuals in the captive breeding centres which is to be increased to 60 breeding animals by 2010-, guaranteeing 85% of the genetic variability which existed in the wild in 2004. Some of these animals are to be sent to Portugal, Extremadura and Castilla-La Mancha for their own breeding programmes. The Portuguese government has begun to build a centre in Algarve and hopes to release lynx into the wild in the Algarve by 2019.
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