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« on: October 26, 2007, 19:20 PM »
Greetings All,
In my ongoing quest to improve my lynx/wildcat-spotting skills - on the off-chance that I am fortunate enough to come across another pawprint or scat - came across the following New York Times article on DNA tracking of wildcats:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/science/29cat.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

An extract of which reads:
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Five subspecies of wildcat are distributed across the Old World. They are known as the European wildcat, the Near Eastern wildcat, the Southern African wildcat, the Central Asian wildcat and the Chinese desert cat. Their patterns of DNA fall into five clusters. The DNA of all house cats and fancy cats falls within the Near Eastern wildcat cluster, making clear that this subspecies is their ancestor, Dr. Driscoll and his colleagues said in a report published Thursday on the Web site of the journal Science.

The Science article in full is only available to subscribers, so don't bother trying unless, of course, you are fortunate enough to ...

Regs.,
Technopat
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2007, 20:06 PM »
Hi TP
That South African wild cat piccie is a beauty. Uh you remember that mad catalan kit we brought home?
What was the odd remark you made about the full article? Dont quite understand... Looked at the connection to Scottish wildcats - only believed to be 400 left....
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2007, 20:51 PM »
Greetings SueMac and All,
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What was the odd remark you made about the full article? Dont quite understand.
, I had tried to access the original paper at the Science journal website but it is not available to non-subscribers.
Regs.,
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2007, 23:28 PM »
Hi Tp
I have a copy of the full article as a pdf from David Macdonald and also very interesting website
http://www.wildcru.org/. Not usre how to post a nine page article as a pdf. Nick?
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2007, 23:50 PM »
HI there
Actually it is 5 relevant pages.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2007, 23:52 PM »
SueMac..

find the pdf document on the web site and save it to you computer...

when you post a reply here just click on the additional options as you would for uploading an image and browse to the pdf that you saved...it will upload automatically when you click post just like an image...

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2007, 00:28 AM »
Clive file seems to be too big - wont let me upload
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2007, 00:50 AM »
Greetings SueMac,
El mundo es un paƱuelo (En. anyone?)
Regs.,
Technopat

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If I ever get to see that pawprint again - whether wildcat or lynx - shall treat myself to the  monicker Technocat and include the digital photo as my avatar. Don't pinch it, folks, it's copyright  :dancing:
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2007, 09:09 AM »
 8)The world is a handerkerchief? Certainly is with this kind of technology - what else does the world do on a boring Friday night?
However I really like that phrase and will do my best to work it into a conversation this weekend.SueMac
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2007, 10:18 AM »
Hi TP
 Three diagrams which are fairly obvious  with the other material and www.canids.org
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2007, 08:47 AM »
Dear all
I hope people are following up on the www.canids.org referemce which I would think has a lot of crossover with matters discussed on this forum. 
There is for instance a wolf specialist group http://www.canids.org/wolfsg.htm which does not seem to mention the Spanish wolves :speechless:.  It may be a resource though who knows - Lisa?
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2007, 09:29 AM »
Hi SueMac,

full circle...... http://www.canids.org/species/Canis_lupus.htm the grey wolf link after clicking species and projects...

Scroll down to the bit that says "The Iberian Wolf - Wolves in Spain" Iberianature does it again!

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2007, 10:10 AM »
 :clapping: :sign:
Well done! The trouble was I tried to use their search engine and nothing came up for wolves in Spain. 

The other site that David Macdonald gave is really interesting too  http://www.wildcru.org  . There are some great photos on that site in particular the Mark Hamblin photography link.   There are also various sites for jobs and volunteers for any one looking for a way in to fieldwork.
SueMac
ps There is a really nice new INF special word for its glossary - Vobabulary - andbody wish to define?
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 14:52 PM »
Greetings All,
Bopping about at the Beeb's news page, I came across the following update on wildcats in Scotland:
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Walkers in the Highlands are being asked to help discover the true numbers of one of Britain's most secretive creatures - the Scottish wildcat.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7240908.stm

My faith in human nature is such that I often find it hard to believe the experts and/or journalists when they categorically state that a particular species is extinct - this superficial, soundbite culture we live in is especially irritating in such cases - they should be more careful with their words and say that sightings etc. have not been made since such-and-such date. On the other hand, it can of course work both ways, and bodes well for my little oasis in Castilla-La Mancha where I think I saw that lynx pawprint in the snow - local hunters are convinced that there is nothing worth hunting in the area and therefore keep well away ... :dancing:

Regs.,
Technopat
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Saw on SueMac's link to http://www.wildcru.org  that David MacDonald came 9th in a BBC ranking of the UK's 50 most influential wildlife experts. Bonnie Prince Charles came 1st and Sir David Attenborough 2nd.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2008, 19:32 PM by Technopat »
Technopat's disclaimer: If this posting seems over the top and/or gets your goat (Sp. anyone?), please accept my apologies and don't take it personally - it's just my instinctive tendency to put my foot in it whenever/wherever possible. See also:
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