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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2007, 16:45 PM »
Hi Lisa T. There's no problem with these two not putting on enough weight  ;D
I suppose the natural method of putting a male bear in with them, albeit of another race, for the experiment could be their rationale for testing their fertility and for making a future birth with a Cantabrian male more certain (?) but you should contact either info@osodeasturias.es or fapas@fapas.es to clarify this.


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« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2007, 17:31 PM »
Thanks Lisa, I've tried emailing  :roxysnail: but have had no reply - will give them a call in the morning...!

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« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2007, 11:59 AM »
Used your photo Lisa, hope you don't mind

http://www.iberianature.com/spainblog/2007/11/23/paca-and-tola/

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« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2007, 14:52 PM »
Not at all. (Cantabricusas  :o)
It's O.K. don't answer  ;D
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« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2007, 16:30 PM »
Lisa Tilley At the Olive press has written a piece about Paca and Tola.

http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/11/23/fun-loving-bears-desperately-seeking-mate/

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« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2008, 07:45 AM »
Next week should see Paca and Tola moving to their new enclosure, along with the chosen male from Cabárceno safari park. (The recent revelation of the bear's ancestry has really given the green light for these possible pregnancies.) The bears will have their own separate areas with a common meeting ground in the middle and will be closely monitored. Visits are being restricted to small, guided numbers.
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« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2008, 09:44 AM »
Are they going to stay there for the rest of their lives? Or wil they be taken back to their old enclosure after rearing their cubs? -
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« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2008, 06:29 AM »
No idea Nick but I should think that when the cubs are old enough, they're going to need two separate areas for P & T & any young bears when they're old enough to be on their own. Avoiding human contact so they (one?) can be released in the wild will be hard in this case I would have thought. The show must go on?
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« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2008, 15:02 PM »
Furaco, the chosen male for the fertility test of Paca and Tola, arrives at Proaza today. lavozdeaviles.es says that his enclosure is on the other side of the Senda del Oso and that the bears will be able to see and smell each other. Wish I could see that  :)
However, they also say;
"Descartada la posibilidad de acometer una inseminación artificial de 'Paca' y 'Tola', por la todavía escasa eficacia del método, los responsables de Cantabria y Asturias se decidieron por este macho con la esperanza de probar la fertilidad de las osas asturianas, de la raza parda cantábrica, y mantener la reserva genética en cautividad, a pesar de que 'Furaco' es un oso pardo del Pirineo."
He's not Pyrenean, of course, but from Eastern Europe.
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« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2008, 12:48 PM »
Furaco shows what he's made of on teleasturias.com and Paca, of course, was the first to check out what a fine specimen of a bear he is  8)
Contrary to what's been written before, the bears are only separated by a fence. It looks likely to be about a month before they're allowed physical contact. I hope everything goes O.K. - he's huge!
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« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2008, 18:59 PM »
More film of yesterday's events on 20minutos.es. I've been looking for a photo of him scratching his back on the tree but haven't come up with anything yet. Someone must have captured it.......
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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2008, 07:59 AM »
Confirmed from the horse's mouth, well one of them (Spanish anyone?);

"No, los descendientes de Tola y Paca, si los hay, no pueden ser liberados en el medio natural ya que serían osos no adaptados y genéticamente distintos de los que habitan en el Pirineo.
Furaco es genéticamente  desconocido. Pero la utilización de las posibles crías que tenga con Tola y Paca como van a ser para mantenerlas en cautividad no implica alteración alguna.   

Hay que dejar claro que este tema de la reproducción de Tola y Paca no tiene ninguna relación con la conservación de la población osera que vive en libertad
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This is the answer from Fapas to a question asking if any cubs born would be used in the reintroduction programme in the Pyrenees. They say the cubs couldn't be released because they'd be in human contact (Paca and Tola having to be closely monitored directly by vets) and also would be genetically distinct (Slovenian bears  ??? ) Fapas point out that this project has nothing to do with the conservation of the Cantabrian bears in the wild.
 

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« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2008, 14:53 PM »
Well, the three bears met yesterday, and everyone's fine  :) Surprisingly Tola was the one that showed the most interest......but she ran away.
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« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2009, 09:39 AM »
Nick already has the latest on the goings-on in Proaza, except for one teensy weensy detail; the bear that came into season and mated with Furaco was Tola. We'll have to wait until she emerges from next winter's hibernation to see if the pairing was successful.
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« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2010, 15:30 PM »
Well, Tola has emerged from her den alone so it's back to the drawing board...........the saga continues.
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