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Turd pictures
« on: February 18, 2007, 15:38 PM »
Was wondering if anyone could identify these droppings, as they just don't look like fox excrement to me, thanks.


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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2007, 15:46 PM »
Could you give us an idea of scale?

Top turd tip- Always put something in the picture to give it scale (a pen/coin/watch)

As we all know from looking at our daily work, there is no archytypal stool. Could well be a fox, or a mustelid? (beech martin). Any experts? 

Where in Spain? Smell/position are also good clues

Fox droppings are often at crossraods or somewhere promient. And fox poo smells rank - while those of most mustelids (weasal family) are sweet(ish). Not a genet, cos they do it big communal middens on top of walls and such...and not a badger, they excavate a trough - and I think rounder anyway...I'll dig out and post a badger poo for you.
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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2007, 18:32 PM »
For those uniterested in poo since they were two:
 
Here are the badger droppings in its dung pit. Other clues - becuase at face value it could be boar (this one looks similar) that had happened to drop it in a hole,
-there was a row of similar pits all with dung.
-it was just by a sett (several holes, concave entrances from claws)
-And the smoking gun - the prints next to it.

I took these a couple of months ago in Sierra de Guara


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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2007, 20:49 PM »
Thanks helpful info it didn't smell particuarly (it was quite old and sun-dried). It was next to a path in a bush.

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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2007, 01:26 AM »
I was certain it was a fox but "In a bush and lack of smell" sounds less like one

Might be a beech martin
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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2007, 01:29 AM »
I was certain it was a fox but "In a bush and lack of smell" sounds less like one

Might be a beech martin (Andalucia?), or maybe as you say it was old ...and the fox just happened to dump in a bush. Will ask somebody.
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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2007, 23:23 PM »
About the faeces at the first picture
Lack of smell doesn't say everything. In dry weahter at higher temperatures or very wet conditions, faeces older then 3 weeks often don't smell anymore. Even fox, that normally cannot be mistaken for something else. Scale and what is in it then proves more. Unfortunately you cannot tell the size by looking at this picture. I thought I can see some kind of seeds in it. That proves it isn't a wolf; you will not find wolf-faeces with seeds in them. Foxes eat allmost everything, so that still is a good candidate. I'm not sure about other possible carnivores in the region. Is it possible there are feral-dogs in that area? Faeces from these animals are often similar looking to those of wolves, but smell horrible.
Can't tell much about the visible hairs in the faeces; I can tell what it's not; wild boar, red/roe deer, sheep, rabbit. Leaves; goat, pig, cow even badger, but this doesn't mean much.
Maybe, someone else has more experience on this kinds of detective-work...

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2007, 00:33 AM »
Hi Mieke,

Yes, this is very difficult. Actually doesn't prove it isn't a wolf as they will happily gorge on figs and kinds of fruit. I'm going to have a look - I think I posted a video of this in Castilla (?) Very unlikey to be a badger as they leave their jobs in pits.

Every time I've ever been out with an expert tracker they stress the whole range of clues.

1. what animals are in the area - the number 1
2. where is it? (on a wall forming a midden -its a genet/at a crossroads - perhaps a fox/in a pit/)
3. what tracks are next to it.
4 it's visual appearance - there's no exact faeces for each animal - a good example in the recent scientic arguement in Madrid as to whether they'd found a faeces of an Iberian lynx or a cat (wild or feral). A third DNA test finally seems to have proved it is indeed a lynx.
5 it's smell - freshish excrement - what your most likely to find - does give clues. Mustelids smell musty sweet. Foxes stink.

None of these clues are final

However, if I you put a pistol to my head and I had to guess its elongated tapered appearance and as, as you say wide diet, makes me think it's either a fox or non-badger mustelid, say, because they're common in souther Spain, a beech martin.

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2007, 01:08 AM »
Found it - wolves eating figs!

http://www.iberianature.com/material/wildlife_nature_videos_spain.htm#PACTO

And go to 38 minutes 20 seconds
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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2007, 02:20 AM »
The Big Bad Wolf and the 3 Little Figs?
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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2007, 23:20 PM »
I too have a "turd" problem and thought everyone would think I was mad but clearly I have much to learn about animal behaviour.  I found a round hole about six inches deep and six across with three different types of faeces in it.  Clearly purposeful behaviour. One was large and gritty but this is almond countryso might that explain that?
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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2007, 23:26 PM »
Hola,

Sorry SueMac. Photography can be unpleasant at times...The only way is to take some shots with something in the frame so we can gauge the size. If you can poke one apart after and find out what's in it..Like maybe beetle shells or prickly pear seeds or something tell-tale.

Good luck! Looking forward to the images make em 400 or 500 pixels wide and they should be very identifiable.....

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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2007, 23:27 PM »
Hi SueMac

Sounds very, very much like a badger's midden - see photo above. Badger do the busibnesss in holes which they dig out, and repeatedly visit, Different scats could be different badgers eating different things or even same badger several days later. Or it's a badger's midden, and something like a fox has decided to plant on top.

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2007, 23:28 PM »
A large turd in Spain with lots of beetles would also indicate a badger. Not many earthworms here

"Spanish badgers will take anything they come across from snakes to blackberries, though when earthworms are present, they feature strongly on the menu. Beetles are a common intake. The great Felix Rodriguez de la Fuente mentions in Fauna Ibérica a badger killed by a car in Santander with 600 beetles dissolving in its stomach, while badgers down in Doñana have a liking for young rabbits. "
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2007, 19:29 PM »
Well i am not sure whether to continue posting this here or on the tapas page.... Visited the potty today and it had been reused and in fact there was another small  area alongside.today.   It looks to me as if almonds and spanish black olives are part of the diet. I poked it around but no beetles either.
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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2007, 20:36 PM »
Hola,

Excellent image SueMac! I reckon you have got the hang of that resizing now...

Your scats (Not your scats of course, I mean the scats in the picture) look like the fox scats in my back garden. Only, my foxes don't dig a hole like that they just do it in the same place every morning and I know its them because I saw them one early morning.

I am interested in the almonds you say are present though. Our almonds over here in Grazalema are on the trees, green and hard. Are your Almonds already that far ahead and falling? I guess we are 500 metres higher than you but we are at the same latitude.

It looks like you are going to have to make a nightime vigil and capture the creature in your lens......

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2007, 20:55 PM »
Some of these are defianatly badger

Hole is charcteristic.
Badger use middens. Foxes don't to my knowledge.

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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2007, 00:22 AM »

We are surrounded by almond and olive trees. Not all of last years crop got picked so eventually they fall as the new crop develops.

If there is a badger pooping where I found the droppings then that is some way away from where we spotted the large badger one night not so long ago.  The land is full of gullies and shelter. But that midden is on a well walked line by animals which divides old tilled fields and untouched land.
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2007, 00:24 AM »
The plot thickens

Or maybe the thick plottens?

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Re: Turd pictures
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2007, 23:08 PM »
Hi everyone
 Back to fox turds and their diet - this little pile is clearly caper seeds. So they are very opportunistic and eat what is seasonally on offer. Please refer back to April.
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