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Iberian geography, history, geology, environment and climate => Environmental issues => Topic started by: Clive on November 02, 2007, 22:31 PM

Title: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on November 02, 2007, 22:31 PM
Sue and I visited Las Tablas de Daimiel a few years ago. It had water in it...

http://www.lastablasdedaimiel.com/estado.php?&PHPSESSID=58d07b1f0cb05ebb61627f9cddace1a4

With the excellent news of lynx discovery in Castilla la Mancha It does make me think.. what's the point?

A NATIONAL park reduced to a shadow of itself regardless of its protected status...

I heard that some eco organisations such as ecologistas en accion, greenpeace, SEO/birdlife WWF/ADENA have called on UNESCO for the removal of Biosphera reserve status...

Clive
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: steveT on November 03, 2007, 01:37 AM
Dear Clive,

Las Tablas are an  environmentally important area, but they are a small  island surrounded by cereals and vine fields. They are very close to the southern tip of the Montes de Toledo but there is no 'corridor' to them.

It is the huge mozaic of forest, scrub and some cereal cultivation that makes up  the greater Montes de Toledo area, that may one day support lynx again.There is effectively 'unbroken' lynx habit from Montfrgue all the way thru the sierra de guadalupe, to the eastern most tip of th Montes de Toledo.....200 km plus. 

 This area is worth a visit. I was there 5 yr ago ....... tacking the back roads and pottering from one place to the other. If you go east/west the slow roads go on for ever.....it's wonderful ! The bars are great places to stop, chat and find out about the area.

There are national/regional parks and reservas de caza etc .The Fincas are big and hunting is big business........I can see a day when hunting fincas will want to have lxnx on their land, not for shooting but for status and or tourism.....so I don't think it's not all bad news......

 I'm not going to say this is fact, but my understanding is that the extirpation of  lynx in this area was primarily caused by the collapse in the rabbit population. And that other factors like habitat fragmentation were not so important........this area was especially badly hit by rabbit diseases. If this is the case and a wild rabbit population can resestablished then, perhaps lynx do have a future here.

SteveT




Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on November 03, 2007, 09:48 AM
Hi Steve, I didn't really explain my self properly... What I meant was. If an area with National park status has been systematically destroyed even with it's protection. (30 odd years of "protection") It just makes me wonder how well protected anything is....

Clive
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: Technopat on November 03, 2007, 09:55 AM
Greetings Clive,
Bit cryptic this - hope you are not insinuating that my hunter/portero acquaintance is right when he says that it's all a big business montado by the ecologistas?

Regs.,
Technopat
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on November 03, 2007, 10:21 AM
Does anyone Have any up to dated news of the last rescue plan to redirect water into the Tablas?

Don't be cryptic Tp I am not insinuating anything. As for big business, in many cases it is the huge hunting grounds that still have the most diversity and the natural parks less.

Clive
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Technopat on June 06, 2008, 23:58 PM
Greetings All,
Just came across this update on the Iberianature site:

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La Unesco planea desproteger las Tablas de Daimiel
El Consejo Científico pedirá que deje de ser reserva - Varapalo a España por dejar que miles de pozos sequen el Parque Nacional

(UNESCO plans to withdraw protection status of Tablas de Daimiel – the scientific committee will request that it no longer be considered a nature reserve – Spain slated for allowing thousands of wells to dry the national park)

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RAFAEL MÉNDEZ - Madrid - 01/06/2008

... Tablas de Daimiel, teóricamente el humedal más valioso de España; en realidad un paraje esquilmado por miles de pozos -muchos ilegales- y mantenido apenas con vida con bombeos de agua. Por eso el Consejo Científico de la Unesco (la agencia de la ONU para la ciencia y la cultura) tiene ya listo el informe que debatirá el 13 de junio y que recomienda retirar -aunque sea cautelarmente, hasta 2015- las Tablas de Daimiel de la lista de reservas de la biosfera....

(...Damiel, in theory, Spain’s most important wetlands, is actually a place overexploited by thousands of water wells – many of them illegal – and barely kept alive by water pumps. That’s why Unesco’s  scientific board has prepared the report they will debate on June 30, and which recommends withdrawing, albeit as a precautionary measure until 2015, the Tablas de Daimiel from the list of biosphere reserves... )

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El consejero de Medio Ambiente de Castilla-La Mancha, José Luis Martínez Guijarro, no quiere planteárselo: "Sería injusto que ahora que hay un plan para poner en orden el acuífero y explotarlo de forma sostenible, la Unesco no fuese sensible". Guijarro se refiere al Plan Especial del Alto Guadiana, recién aprobado, un ambicioso proyecto de 3.000 millones de euros para recuperar la zona en 20 años. "La administración del agua ha mirado para otro lado durante décadas. Éste es un problema heredado que ahora vamos a solucionar", añade.

(Castilla-La Mancha’s minister for the environment is against the measure: “It would be unfair that Unesco did not take into consideration that there is now a plan to put things right,” he says, referring to the recently-approved Special Plan for the Alto Guadiana, an ambitious €3,000 million project over 20 years. “The bodies responsible for water management have looked the other way for decades. We're now going to solve a problem we’ve inherited,” he added.)

Full El País article:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/Unesco/planea/desproteger/Tablas/Daimiel/elpepusoc/20080601elpepisoc_4/Tes

Technopat
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: lucy on May 22, 2009, 13:42 PM
The Tablas de Daimiel are back in the news, with more tragi-comic shinanigens.  The water the government is diverting from the Tajo to restore the national park is being syphoned off by a village in Toledo, whose people have re-routed the water and are using it to fill up their own lagoon (used for fishing and swimming in the summer).  The Guardia Civil tried to intervene but were driven away by furious villagers. 

The government is now planning a pipe to channel the water directly to the park before the inhabitants of Villafranaca de los Caballeros (!!) can get their hands on it.

More in El Pais (http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/Medio/Ambiente/cierra/toma/ilegal/agua/trasvase/Tablas/Daimiel/elpepusoc/20090522elpepusoc_5/Tes)
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on October 16, 2009, 15:22 PM
Back in El pais the news from Daimiel is terrible... peat fires, no water, illegal wells and the park director throwing his hands in the air saying it's all over.....

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/insolito/incendio/subterraneo/azota/Tablas/Daimiel/elpepusoc/20091012elpepisoc_2/Tes
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: lucy on October 17, 2009, 09:54 AM
More today.  There's an interview with an 81 year old man who lives there, and a photo of him with his boat.  He used to fish there and remembers the good times before the illegal wells -

"Aquí sacábamos más de 7.000 kilos de cangrejo y vivía mucha gente. Era una mina de oro . . ."

There's utter stalemate - the Government wants the Junta de Castilla-La Mancha to instigate changes in agriculture, which they refuse to do until they get more money from Madrid.  It's not looking good.  Journalist reckons we'll be witnessing the same in Doñana in a few years:

"La historia se repite y se repetirá. En unos años habrá un reportaje como este sobre Doñana (Huelva) donde el cultivo de la fresa amenaza las lagunas del parque nacional. Allí habrá otro Julio que recuerde lo que fue."

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/hombre/pescaba/cangrejos/Daimiel/elpepusoc/20091017elpepisoc_8/Tes
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: Bob M on October 17, 2009, 15:44 PM
This is the story from El Correo.

http://www.elcorreodigital.com/vizcaya/20091014/sociedad/infierno-arde-bajo-tablas-20091014.html
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: glennie on October 17, 2009, 17:21 PM
The fact that so much nature remains for us to see in Spain is almost pure historical accident.

It has just happened that way. There's been very little intention or guiding hand about any of it.

So with nobody really in control, the pendulum can swing.

The vulnerability is in-built.

So far, we've been lucky. But the luck ran out in Las Tablas.
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on October 18, 2009, 17:08 PM
This will certainly be the first national park in Spain to be declassified due to a complete failure on the part of government, local authorities and local people.... And what next... Do we see Doñana go the same way in 10 years? What did they do with all the money.... The whole situation is a bad joke.... And what next? Once de classified it will be a fine place for a casino city maybe? Golf courses.... have to kick start the economy you know....

I aggree that there is historical accident in the survival of certain wilderness areas in Spain Glennie, (The Americas took a lot of time and energy) but Spain has one of the biggest hectarage of protected natural spaces in Europe with huge subsidies and help from the scientific world, ngo's and just ordinary people... There are people in control... The park directors and local goverment, central government and European laws.... Its just that in this case no one did their job....

 I feel really sorry for the people who do care and have tried against the odds to finally fail..... Banging head against brick wall hurts after a while....
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: glennie on October 18, 2009, 18:43 PM
Let's hope people are doing a better job elsewhere.

(I heard some things about the Picos during the summit which weren't exactly encouraging.)

Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: lucy on October 19, 2009, 22:34 PM
Piece in the Guardian on it too, with an interview with park director Carlos Ruíz, who the Environment Ministry tried to stop talking to the Guardian.

Head of Spain's national parks tries to be optimistic, denying that the situation is irreversible:

"We are buying up land around the park and buying water rights too," he explained. "The rate at which the aquifer is declining is slowing down but it will take time before it can provide water to the park."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/oct/19/las-tablas-water-wetlands-burn
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: Technopat on October 21, 2009, 00:55 AM
Greetings Lucy,
Thanks (?) for that.

The melon-and-pumpkin chappie referring to his grandparents/sprinklers/etc.:
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"The lagoon here used to be full all year round but I haven't seen water since 1985," Martin said. "Our grandparents managed to irrigate their fields without making the water disappear. They should ban those pivot sprinklers until it comes back."
reminds me of a guy I heard interviewed the other day re. Spain's growing (pun intended) ecological food sector whose grandparents and parents had all worked the land (Castilla y León I think it was) and he remembers perfectly well the day exactly 30 years ago - folks, we're talking way back in 1980 - when someone in his village first used chemical fertilizers 'cos a salesman had given 'em a deal... until that moment everyone had got by perfectly well with the traditional methods handed down over the centuries... which brings me back on-topic:
SISTEMAS DE REGADÍO at http://www.balansiya.com/sistemas_regadio.htm

Golf-players-in-Spain-have-a-lot-to-answer-for regs.,
Technopat
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: nick on October 21, 2009, 13:15 PM
Updated the blog post to include a link to you lot

http://www.iberianature.com/spainblog/2009/10/tablas-de-damiel-doomed/
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Damiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on October 27, 2009, 10:02 AM
The water level marker at the park page says it all
http://www.lastablasdedaimiel.com/estado.php?&PHPSESSID=58d07b1f0cb05ebb61627f9cddace1a4

And a video of the situation though I haven't watched it due to my slow connection issues... Could someone else have a look and comment on it?
http://www.lastablasdedaimiel.com/noticias.php?&PHPSESSID=58d07b1f0cb05ebb61627f9cddace1a4
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Vicente Malagon on October 29, 2009, 00:08 AM
Hi Clive.

Me again. The links aren't from the national park website, they belongs to a private travelling company. But in any case the situation is real, worse than anyone can imagine. There are only five hectares with water, and it's artificially supplied every night from the underground. The rest of the park (more than 1.800 Ha.) is completely dry, but the situation is worse outside, where the old layer of the Guadiana river is burning everywhere.

Vicente.
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on October 29, 2009, 00:23 AM
Thanks for clarifying the web link I made Vicente, I guess you must be very upset and angry? at the whole issue going on... Thank you for the extra infomation

Clive

PS I have added your website to your profile so that it appears at the bottom of all your posts...
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Vicente Malagon on October 29, 2009, 09:00 AM
Clive, I can't read the PMs. I guess I have to wait?

And thank you for the web link.

Vicente.
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on October 29, 2009, 09:16 AM
Check your spam folder Vicente... System emails from the forum often get files as spam.... :(
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Petrea on November 06, 2009, 20:55 PM
Another attempt to save TdD by supplying extra water:

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/Gobierno/aprueba/trasvase/hectometros/cubicos/Tablas/Daimiel/elpepusoc/20091106elpepusoc_10/Tes
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: nick on February 02, 2010, 11:56 AM
Heavy rains and the transvase seem to have saved the Tablas...for now

http://blogs.20minutos.es/cronicaverde/post/2010/01/17/las-lluvias-resucitan-parque-nacional-las-tablas-de
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Vicente Malagon on February 03, 2010, 23:40 PM
Yes Nick, but after things like this.

Vicente.
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: nick on February 03, 2010, 23:56 PM
Yes, you're right Vicente...that's why I said " for now". Without closing the thousands of illegal (and legal) bore holes, the Tablas are an accident waiting to happen...
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on March 31, 2014, 18:58 PM
Hi All, I just had this update from Vicente.... Very nice to hear that the Tablas are doing ok for now......

Re: Tablas de Daimiel
« Sent to: Clive on: March 19, 2014, 23:22 PM »

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Hi Clive.

Many things has happened in these last few years. The Park is overflooded, with the majority of the surface covered by water. Years 2011-12-13 were excellent in terms of birdlife, in fact "las Tablas" was the National Park with more breeding species in the whole Spain in 2013, but the wetland is very far from being "saved". The problem, just now, is called polution by waters coming from the Water Treatment Plants of Daimiel, Manzanares & Villarrubia de los Ojos (towns settled in the surroundings of the park). This polution destroy every year hundreds of flooded Hectares covered with algae (chara hispida, so at the end the park cannot offer suffcient food resources for a plethora of species, from diving ducks as the Red Crested Pochard to reptiles as the European Pond Tortoise, or amphibians like the Tree Frog. So the visitor of the park can feel dissapointed watching the apparently lack of life of the park, but if you consider the surroundings (Guadiana river, Navaseca Lagoon, Steppe areas adjacent to the park, or the Dehesa de Zacatena), we can stablish that birding and enjoying nature in Daimiel can still be one of the most exciting experiencies that can be done nowadays in Spain.

Best. Vicente.
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Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on November 26, 2014, 10:18 AM
Well, it looks like the Tablas will be saved after all!, The mighty Coca Cola company are throwing their not inconsiderable weight behind the protection and future of these wetlands....

Do we think that Coca Cola can do a better job than 20 odd years of National Park status and hundreds of millions of funding already from EU, local and national levels?.. Time will tell but I find the whole idea really weird..

http://www.cocacola.es/compromiso/tablas-de-daimiel-spot-compromiso#.VHWZ1MlAK6s
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Vicente Malagon on November 26, 2014, 22:14 PM
Hi Clive.

You're right. The only thing that Coca-Cola has made is to restore a small area of mediterranean habitat around Las Tablas with new Holm Oaks. And the park is very far from be saved. Actually the situation in the park is the worst in the last 4 years. The water pollution in Daimiel has completely destroyed the charophyte meadows of Las Tablas, so it's frustrating to see the lack of aquatic life of the park (in contrast with the rich birdlife of the surroundings, like the Guadiana river in the main entrance of the park).

The same day that Coca-Cola made the spot I was in Las Tablas with some customers; there was just a Great Egret and some small flocks of Cranes in the area, the only birds that you can see in the spot! What a contrast with the thousands of birds that could be observed on any day in the past!

Vicente.
Title: Re: Las Tablas de Daimiel... Critical
Post by: Clive on November 27, 2014, 09:49 AM
Hi Vicente, nice to hear from you, though I would have liked some better news :)

I must admit I did have my doubts about this even though I hopefully imagined a team of 100 retired cocacola workers filling in all the illegal wells.... Oh Dear....

Best regards from Grazalema

It would seem that the promo video now can be seen in another light thanks to Vicentes observations.... Here is the video over at youtube

http://www.cocacola.es/compromiso/tablas-de-daimiel-spot-compromiso#.VHbmHslAK6t