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Costa del Neanderthal – not my own – the Beeb’s

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Offline Technopat

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« on: June 15, 2008, 00:47 AM »
Greetings All,
Just for the record, and Nick's mindless stats. and/or his iberianature atlas of history and geography of the Ib. Pen., came across the following interesting article from last September (2007) at the Beeb:
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Competition with modern humans (Homo sapiens) - who arrived on the European continent about 40,000 years ago - as well as climate change, have long been discussed as culprits for the Neanderthals' extinction across much of their former range 35,000 years ago.
Read more here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6992721.stm

and curiously, it links back to one more or less exactly a year earlier (2006):
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A study in Nature magazine suggests the species may have lived in Gorham's Cave on Gibraltar up to 24,000 years ago.
Read more here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5343266.stm

As y'all know, I like to get down to the nitty gritty, so question is, is it or is it not conclusive evidence against my mother-in-law (aka The Missing Link)?  :angel:
Another question that springs readily to mind: could Gorham's Cave have its counterpart on Roxanne’s Isla Perdiguera?  :technodevil:

Regs.,
Technopat
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2008, 13:24 PM »
Hi all,

I find this subject utterly fascinating.....

And more from the BBC at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7630042.stm


Its the amazing speed at which "we" have developed.... A couple of hundred thousand years eating raw meat, grunting and clubbing stuff and then the last couple of generations flying in to space, talking in the world of cyber and eating ready made meals.....TV, music awards and the credit crunch.....

Of course, we still are grunting and clubbing stuff and in many cases eating raw meat... Its just that now we have this super technology alongside the caveperson (politically correct?) that dwells very close to the surface within all of us...

We know how to do stuff since those days of Gorhams cave dwelling but really, in actual fact, I don't see we have progressed at all in the sense that all "we" do is use our planet to fuel our addictions... Bit like a maggot in an apple really... :)
« Last Edit: September 26, 2008, 13:27 PM by Clive »
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2009, 12:29 PM »
Greetings Clive 'n' All,
Sorry, missed out on this one, Clive. Agree with what you wrote re. technology + know-how, etc. Question is, where does all this so-called progress lead us? Longer lives? Consumption? Mortgage default? Neurosis? Are we really any happier than Mr and Mrs Neanderthal? :noidea: In my more despondent moments, I think we (human beings) possibly reached our peak with the Neanderthals - i.e. happily oblivious of walled cities / wars / politicians / MacDonald's / nuclear energy - and have been going steadily downhill since...

B. that as it m., the reason I popped in 'ere was, given Spain's role/geographical position as gateway to Europe, and its undisputed richness in still-to-be-uncovered archeological findings, to paste the following latest developments (from Associated Press):
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gNRhmzaaW3a10ewnBU63clc_Ki7QD96A6LO80

More here at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_genome_project#cite_note-Team_in_Germany_maps_Neanderthal_genome-0

Been trying to remember the name of the important dig in the Gibraltar region, apart from Gorham's Cave, but it eludes me :banghead: Anyone?

Existentialist-doubts regs.,
Technopat
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2009, 21:19 PM »
Hi all,

Just to put my boot tuppenceworth in: re Clive's "eating raw meat, grunting and clubbing stuff" - this sounds to me more like a typical Saturday night in Brighton!

Ha ha - not so funny though as I'm going there next month! :dancing:

Regs

Simon

PS but at least I'm not going to Portslade - hard to think I worked there for nearly fifteen years!!!!!!

PPS But at least I lived in Seven Dials, (no, not your Seven Dials Teeps!)

PPPS and at least I've never lived in Hove
« Last Edit: April 18, 2009, 21:29 PM by Simon »