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« on: June 23, 2008, 13:10 PM »
I'm doing an insurance translation (snore) which talks about coverage extending to "aludes y avalanchas"

I had though there was some subtle difference but it seems I was wrong as alud and avalacha appear to be synominous, with the latter being a Gailacism.

I think I'm going to leave it just as avalanche in English

Thoughts?

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alud
http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/frames.asp?es=avalancha
http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/frames.asp?es=alud

Note interesting "Basque" origin of alud:

(De or. prerromano; cf. vasco lurte, derrumbamiento de tierra).
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2008, 14:39 PM »
Greetings Nick,
Next time someone asks me to do one of those (insurance translation), I know who to forward it to  :technodevil:
Re. alud vs avalancha, although they are clearly synonyms as far as dicitionaries are concerned, I reckon in popular use avalancha would only be for snow (and people visiting El Corte Inglés for the sales), whereas alud is also a landslide (Corrimiento de tierra).
Being insurance-minded, they just want to cover their backs and not get wrong-footed  :dancing:
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Landslide victory in Sp. anyone?
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 18:45 PM »
Hi TP
I get victoria arrolladora, or is that one of Rajoys new team  :)
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2008, 19:30 PM »
TP,

Well it's at the end of a long list of terrible things that can happen to your yacht on land, bizarrely enough, including all maner of asentamientos, hundimientos, desprendimientos, corrimientos o ablandamientos del terreno, desprendimiento de tierras, montañas o rocas, and then:

Lluvias o nieves tempestuosas, avalanchas y aludes.

So I'm going to stick with avalanche...
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 14:20 PM »
Greetings Dave and Nick and All,
Nice one, Dave!  :clapping:
Nick, I'd've thought that with so many rugged outdoor skiing types here at iberianatureforum they'd be falling over themselves to help you out with that one.
I've asked a couple of skiers I know but have drawn a blank. Still one source left to check.
Does your insurance cover your yacht falling off the back of the trailer?  :angel:
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2008, 19:01 PM »
And looking on the Internet for the term "ablandamientos del terreno" the first reference on Google.es is now this post!

Any ideas for translation?
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2008, 21:10 PM »
Greetings Nick 'n' All,
 :sign: Trouble is, in the case in point - and I dare say one or two other cases - we don't know what we're talking about half the time. But don't let on (Sp. anyone?) 8)

Some of the uses/context I wikied up include:
softening of the cervix
Water-cement ratios
softening of the bones

but, needless to say, as none of 'em were related to terrenos, none are of the slightest use :banghead:

But if you're not working to too tight a deadline, you might find some of the following of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Soil_mechanics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_liquefaction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinkholes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksand

Have sent out distress-signal emails to Usually Reliable Sources to see if they can come up with anything, but don't hold your breath (Sp. anyone?)

Suffering-major-heat-related-softening-of-the-brain-here-in-Madrid regs.,
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2008, 22:18 PM »
Probably a bit late here but just to confuse matters further, I remembered to ask Mike and he says alud is avalanche as in snow and avalancha is more often used for rockfalls.
I would say landslide/slip for ablandamientos del terreno.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2008, 22:39 PM »
Of course the whole thing is academic, to say the least, 'cos what the h*** is a yacht doing on a trailer up in avalanche country?
My heliskier just got back to me with the following link to avalanche management and mitigation:
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=1571&page=27

These rugged outdoor types don't half live :dancing:
Melting-away-in-Madrid regs.,
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2008, 09:41 AM »
Hello all,

Just when Nick thought it was safe! :technodevil:

pure guesswork plus my Oxford Spanish make me think that ablandamientos del terreno, is waterlogging, as in 'damages due to (w)' OK, so you park your yacht thing in a likely looking field, go for a menu while the skies open with a genuine 40l/m2 humdinger and come back to find your 42 tonne rig sunk up to its axles in the mud - try and get that out with an old blanket and a few blokes from the bar!  :dancing:

Sorry to appear so contrary, I'm ablandamendando in my own way here too!

Regs
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2008, 14:31 PM »
waterlogging...maybe. Thanks Simon
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