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What's the name of this fishing method?

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« on: February 01, 2009, 18:34 PM »

Seen on the Rio Guadaira south of Sevilla.











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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2009, 02:47 AM »
Greetings Brian,
Great photos!
I imagine that having witnessed the full sequence it's obvious to you what they were doing, but for the benefit of clergy the odd iberianatureforumer who might just see a couple of guys out in punts, thought it might be interesting to explain a bit.

Basically, there's the "big" boat with the outrigger-thingy (to which is attached the wide end of the net) and the small, auxiliary boat (with the narrow, tapered end of the net). They row away from each other, as in a tug-of-war (Sp. anyone?) and the net gets pulled taut between 'em, an' Bob's yer uncle, or as we polyglots say: Et voilà! (Sp. anyone?)

Am still waiting for confirmation from my Usually Reliable Sources, but in the meantime came across the following (if you need 'elp with the text, just give us a whistle. You know how to whistle, don't you, Steve Brian?):

The keywords I went for were "pesca", "Andalucía" and "copo":

html:
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:LNOwEJkS-CkJ:www.juntadeandalucia.es/medioambiente/web/1_consejeria_de_medio_ambiente/dg_gestion_medio_natural/instituto_andaluz_de_la_caza_y_la_pesca_continental/static_files/gestion_cinegetica_y_piscicola/pesca%2520continental%25202008/pesca_continental_anexos_2008.pdf+pesca+AND+red+AND+andaluc%C3%ADa+AND+copo&hl=es&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=es&client=firefox-a

or pdf:
http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/medioambiente/web/1_consejeria_de_medio_ambiente/dg_gestion_medio_natural/instituto_andaluz_de_la_caza_y_la_pesca_continental/static_files/gestion_cinegetica_y_piscicola/pesca%20continental%202008/pesca_continental_anexos_2008.pdf.
G o o g l e genera automáti

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CONSEJERÍA DE MEDIO AMBIENTE
Pesca Continental en Andalucía

ANEXO VII ARTES AUTORIZADAS POR ESPECIES EN EL ESTUARIO DEL GUADALQUIVIR Y SUS MARISMAS

Cuchara de popa o coriana: Construida sobre dos varas cruzadas de hasta 14 m de longitud y apertura máxima de 10 m.

4. Cucharas o bandas laterales: Es el arte empleado por el denominado barco coriano o cucharero. El arte de red de forma rectangular va montado sobre un armazón rígido dispuesto a babor y a estribor de la embarcación, que se iza verticalmente en todo su conjunto. Estas bandas laterales nunca podrán superar los 7 m de largo por 5 m de ancho (35 m por panel o banda).

5. Persiana: Este arte se utiliza como la cuchara, desde el barco coriano. La red que forma el copo si fija a dos varas horizontales que se desplazan verticalmente formando la boca del arte, de forma que la vara superior se coloca a ras de agua y la inferior regula la apertura de boca. La longitud de las varas no podrá ser superior a 20 m y la apertura de boca será inferior a 2 m.

Will hopefully be able to confirm soonish, but don't go sticking the photo captions on just yet, in case I've got the wrong end of the stick and...

Nice to see so much water in the river - even tho' it's all flowing out to the sea...

Regs.,
Technopat
Technopat's disclaimer: If this posting seems over the top and/or gets your goat (Sp. anyone?), please accept my apologies and don't take it personally - it's just my instinctive tendency to put my foot in it whenever/wherever possible. See also:
http://www.iberianatureforum.com/index.php/topic,266

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2009, 09:48 AM »
Thanks very much Technopat. I look forward to getting the definitive. 

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2009, 23:52 PM »
Greetings Brian,
One of my URSs came back this evening with the following:
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It seems that Spanish Civil Servants like to help muddled citizens:

Hola, estas artes se llaman redes morunas, hace siglos que se utilizan en nuestro país.

Had a quick google and came up with the following (from Valencia)
Ley 9/1998, de 15 de diciembre, de Pesca Marítima de la Comunidad Valenciana.
TÍTULO III.
DE LA PESCA MARÍTIMA EN AGUAS INTERIORES
CAPÍTULO I.
DE LA PESCA PROFESIONAL
http://noticias.juridicas.com/base_datos/CCAA/va-l9-1998.t3.html

which didn't convince me much, so another google brought up the following:
http://books.google.es/books?id=V3WiUAp0v10C&pg=PA396&lpg=PA396&dq=redes+morunas&source=web&ots=ctZejQ6wuX&sig=uMpD9ZmEwArwYli5HiseLJ4wFzo&hl=es&ei=O-aZSY_zHMaC-gb3_YT9CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPA392,M1

which convinced me even less...

Haven't-given-up-yet regs.,
Technopat
Technopat's disclaimer: If this posting seems over the top and/or gets your goat (Sp. anyone?), please accept my apologies and don't take it personally - it's just my instinctive tendency to put my foot in it whenever/wherever possible. See also:
http://www.iberianatureforum.com/index.php/topic,266

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2009, 14:47 PM »
Pity I didn't have the presence of mind at the time to shout 'ahoy me hearties!' (if I knew what that would be in Spanish...) and ask them.  ::) :biggrin:

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2009, 23:18 PM »
Greetings Brian,
At the risk of a) appearing to direct other people's lives from afar - my tentacles a far-reaching  :technodevil: -  and b) clashing oars with The Mollymawkers'  :dancing: might I be so bold as to suggest that the next time you happen to be down in that particular neck of the woods/along that particular stretch of the river you make your presence known by the using the time-honoured ¡Ha del barco! (the "aitch" is silent - as in "dropping one's aitches"  :dancing: ), pop the question and then try ever-so-hard to understand what the guys come back at you with  ??? .

Far be it for me to suggest that yer Spanish might not be up to it - understanding what they're saying, I mean - but what with the background noise of wind, water, etc., plus the distance involved, added to which the Andalusian Spanish accent is pretty undecipherable at the best of times - count yourself lucky that they're not down in Cádiz  :technodevil:

Plan B, of course is to convince Jesús to stop beetling around and re-take an interest in fishy matters - whoops!

Will-be-back regs.,
Technopat
Technopat's disclaimer: If this posting seems over the top and/or gets your goat (Sp. anyone?), please accept my apologies and don't take it personally - it's just my instinctive tendency to put my foot in it whenever/wherever possible. See also:
http://www.iberianatureforum.com/index.php/topic,266