Iberianature Forum

Forest fires across Iberia 2009

  • 22 Replies
  • 12093 Views

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Clive

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Full Shroomy
  • *****
  • Posts: 2998
  • Sierra de Grazalema
    • Wildside Walking Holidays - Spain
« on: July 22, 2009, 15:04 PM »
Hi all,

Very sad news to hear that 4 fire-fighters have lost their lives in the Els Ports fire this week... The BBC have a small story on it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8162600.stm

Meanwhile there are fires burning in Castilla la Mancha, Andalucia and I hear Extremadura. The worst for area burned so far seems to be the Almeria las Cabreras fire that has covered 4000 hectares
« Last Edit: July 22, 2009, 15:06 PM by Clive »
Explore the nature of Iberia at www.wildsideholidays.com

The beautiful town of Ronda, the City of Dreams?

The spectacular Caminito del Rey, El Chorro and Guadalhorce reservoirs El Camino del Rey

Offline Maria

  • *
  • Full Shroomy
  • ******
  • Posts: 918
  • Sierra Nevada
    • My personal website
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 15:39 PM »
Hi all

An interesting site/blog written by a wildland firefighter

Terrible times for the firefighters families.

Maria

Offline Petrea

  • *
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 809
  • Cómpeta - Axarquía
    • Cómpeta Naturaleza
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 22:47 PM »
Can anyone tell me: what is the red stuff they use to extinguish the fires?  The only info I could find last year was that it is supposed to be fairly harmless(!) even though the long term effects are unknown.  :speechless:. Some carbonate? I don't know any red ones.

Regards
Petrea
Cómpeta Naturaleza,  http://picasaweb.google.com/104328707567851681445

Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open.   (Thomas R. Dewar)

Offline tonyninfas

  • *
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 579
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2009, 09:02 AM »
The fire in the Els Ports Natural Park is still raging with 900 hectares of forest having been destroyed.  There are now 500 firefighters and 100 soldiers involved in the fighting, with 4 bombers having lost their lives.  A terrible tragedy probably caused by someone's carelessness.

Offline tonyninfas

  • *
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 579
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2009, 19:44 PM »
Latest news is that the fire is still raging with 1000 hectares now destroyed and heading towards Prat de Comte.  Apparently the four firefighters killed had been radioing for rescue for 10 minutes - so what happened ?

Offline Clive

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Full Shroomy
  • *****
  • Posts: 2998
  • Sierra de Grazalema
    • Wildside Walking Holidays - Spain
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 01:14 AM »
Quote
Can anyone tell me: what is the red stuff they use to extinguish the fires?

We did some research on this last year but I can't find the notes on it... I'll post them as soon as I can lay my hands on them....
Explore the nature of Iberia at www.wildsideholidays.com

The beautiful town of Ronda, the City of Dreams?

The spectacular Caminito del Rey, El Chorro and Guadalhorce reservoirs El Camino del Rey

Offline Clive

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Full Shroomy
  • *****
  • Posts: 2998
  • Sierra de Grazalema
    • Wildside Walking Holidays - Spain
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2009, 21:13 PM »
Quote
ANOTHER fireman has died tackling a blaze – this time in Aliaga (Teruel province). The inferno has already wiped out 10,000 hectares and hundreds of people have been evacuated from their homes. In total, ten forest fires started up in Aragón this week, of which seven continue to burn.They are said to have been caused by an electric storm on Tuesday which involved more than 5,000 bolts of forked lightning. Ramón Conejero, 44, from Teruel, lost his life when the fire engine he was driving tipped over the edge of a gorge. His funeral will take place today. Over 20 hydroplanes and helicopters have been working throughout daylight hours to control the flames, with approximately 700 professionals fighting the blaze round the clock.

Three-quarters of the affected area is within the municipal boundaries of Aliaga, with the rest of the fires being in and around Los Olmos, Alcorisa, Cedrillas, Corbalán, Alloza, Valdeltormo and Mazaleón (Teruel province) and Morés (Zaragoza province). About 1,600 people have been forced to flee their homes.

Story above quoted from
http://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain/16858/fireman-dies-and-1600-evacuated-in-teruel-inferno
Explore the nature of Iberia at www.wildsideholidays.com

The beautiful town of Ronda, the City of Dreams?

The spectacular Caminito del Rey, El Chorro and Guadalhorce reservoirs El Camino del Rey

Offline Maria

  • *
  • Full Shroomy
  • ******
  • Posts: 918
  • Sierra Nevada
    • My personal website
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2009, 21:23 PM »
We have a fire above Lanjaron at the moment, helicopters, areoplanes etc are all out. Brining memories back of 2005 for many people.

Offline Maria

  • *
  • Full Shroomy
  • ******
  • Posts: 918
  • Sierra Nevada
    • My personal website
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2009, 09:18 AM »
We are lucky our fire is out, it was between Béznar and Lanjaron and was possibly started by a group of foreigners seen in the area!!

Offline Maria

  • *
  • Full Shroomy
  • ******
  • Posts: 918
  • Sierra Nevada
    • My personal website
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 17:42 PM »
18 year old French girl has been arrested and been to court today for our fire. She was burning rubbish  ::) !!!!!!!!!!

2 helicopters, 1 plane, 6 ground vehicles, 56 firemen, luckily I think about only 4 hectares gone.

Offline lucy

  • *
  • Full Shroomy
  • ******
  • Posts: 1242
    • Lucy's Blog
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2009, 09:35 AM »
Coming into Barcelona yesterday there was a fire on the hill-side just above a petrol station by the road.  The flames looked threatening, but the area was surrounded by firemen and they had it under control.

Offline nick

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Full Shroomy
  • *****
  • Posts: 1948
    • Iberianature
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2009, 09:35 AM »
The Guardian has this slideshow on the recent fires

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2009/jul/26/wildfires-mediterranean
Nick
http://iberianature.com/barcelona/history-of-barcelona/spanish-civil-war-tour-in-barcelona/
Spanish Civil War Tours in Barcelona
http://www.iberianature.com/
A guide to the environment, climate, wildlife, & nature of Spain
The Amazon/Forum Bookshop - lend us a hand
http://www.iberianatureforum.com/shop/index.htm
And also now The Natural History of Britain
http://iberianature.com/brita

Offline Jesus Contreras

  • *
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 793
  • Oz Nature Wildlife
    • Oz Nature WILDLIFE
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2009, 09:44 AM »

Sierra Cabrera in Almería has been burnt completely. It has been awful.

Some pictures would give you an idea. The fire arrived to Mojacar village. I was there in the night for helping people and temperature came up to 41ºC. Really awful.

Regards

Jss
OZ NATURE WILDLIFE
Jesús Contreras
www.indalodeoz.com
Geographical Field Trips & Birdwatching in Almería - Spain

Offline lucy

  • *
  • Full Shroomy
  • ******
  • Posts: 1242
    • Lucy's Blog
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2009, 09:58 AM »
Devastating photos Jesus.

Offline Clive

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Full Shroomy
  • *****
  • Posts: 2998
  • Sierra de Grazalema
    • Wildside Walking Holidays - Spain
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2009, 10:11 AM »
Very sorry to see this Jesus, your pictures show the scene very well.... Do you know how badly this has affected the tortoise population? Were there very many in that area?

Were any house burned or people hurt?
Explore the nature of Iberia at www.wildsideholidays.com

The beautiful town of Ronda, the City of Dreams?

The spectacular Caminito del Rey, El Chorro and Guadalhorce reservoirs El Camino del Rey

Offline Jesus Contreras

  • *
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 793
  • Oz Nature Wildlife
    • Oz Nature WILDLIFE
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2009, 10:20 AM »
Very sorry to see this Jesus, your pictures show the scene very well.... Do you know how badly this has affected the tortoise population? Were there very many in that area?

Were any house burned or people hurt?

Hi Clive et Sue

Public technics are working on this about tortoises, but there no data at the moment. These animals were an important population here in these mountains, and they are severely protected. I think that some hundreds of them has died, so as millions of insects,reptiles and snails has been burnt.

Many houses and cars have been also burnt and 4.000 people evacuated. Also was burnt the cemetery of the village of Mojacar. There have been no dead people nor directly injured people, buttt... traffic accidents, shortly injured people and anxiety were common in these days there.

http://www.internisa.es/Siarde_Cabrera/IMG_8007%20(Medium).JPG


Regards

JSS
OZ NATURE WILDLIFE
Jesús Contreras
www.indalodeoz.com
Geographical Field Trips & Birdwatching in Almería - Spain

Offline Maria

  • *
  • Full Shroomy
  • ******
  • Posts: 918
  • Sierra Nevada
    • My personal website
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2009, 14:33 PM »
Jesus

They are very upsetting pictures indeed.

We drove over from the Tabernas badlands to Mojacar last Monday and saw for ourselves the devastation that has been caused by these fires. A truley horrendous sitiuation.

Full credit has to go to the firemen and all the people involved in trying to control these fires, they do a remarkable job. We drove through one village and it was plain to see the work the firemen had done, there were little oasis of peoples houses and fields in the middle of burnt out areas, amazing how they did that.

Maria

Offline nick

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Full Shroomy
  • *****
  • Posts: 1948
    • Iberianature
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2009, 21:51 PM »
Very sad Indalo. I know tortoises became extinct in the Garraf some 20 years ago after a fire. There is now a reintroduction project.
Nick
http://iberianature.com/barcelona/history-of-barcelona/spanish-civil-war-tour-in-barcelona/
Spanish Civil War Tours in Barcelona
http://www.iberianature.com/
A guide to the environment, climate, wildlife, & nature of Spain
The Amazon/Forum Bookshop - lend us a hand
http://www.iberianatureforum.com/shop/index.htm
And also now The Natural History of Britain
http://iberianature.com/brita

Offline Clive

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Full Shroomy
  • *****
  • Posts: 2998
  • Sierra de Grazalema
    • Wildside Walking Holidays - Spain
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2009, 12:06 PM »
The BBC are reporting the huge fire in La Palma in the Canarias...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8180165.stm
Explore the nature of Iberia at www.wildsideholidays.com

The beautiful town of Ronda, the City of Dreams?

The spectacular Caminito del Rey, El Chorro and Guadalhorce reservoirs El Camino del Rey

Simon

  • *
  • Guest
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2009, 21:27 PM »
Hi,

I'm repying to lots of post here: Petrea, I remember being told that the red colour of the 'water' dumped by aeroplanes and helicopters is both a fire retardant and a dye to show subsequent pilots the areas that have already been treated, this is bourne out by an entry in Wiki. I was also told that much of the effect was due to the physical impact of the water drop, literally blowing the fire out, rather than being due to the water itself, and that the retardant stops the flames reigniting in their own heat; technical stuff that I'd like to know more of.

Another reason I've been tardy in relying to Maria's question as to whether the fire affected us here in the Pre-Pyrenees is rather tragic: one of the fire fighters killed in Els Ports was drafted in from La Pobla de Segur, a small town near to us, and, as you can imagine, the impact of such a loss on a small community is severe; in this case infants who will never know their father . . . Needless to say my opinion oif people who start fires becomes somewhat reactionary, which I resent, if anything, even more.

Regs

Simon
« Last Edit: August 04, 2009, 22:45 PM by Simon »