[nick]

I'm going mad trying to pinpoint the source of the River Duero on my google map. It's somewhere in Picos de Urbión

Can anyone help?

http://maps.google.es/maps/ms?hl=es&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=107574536359234178895.00047b8c158ff9749809c&ll=40.245992,-2.988281&spn=11.733965,18.720703&z=5&source=embed

Thanks

[Clive]

Duruelo, Covaleda, Salduero y Molinos de Duero

El Río Duero tiene sus fuentes en una zona abrupta de alta montaña, a 2.095 m. sobre el nivel del mar, junto al Pico Urbión, desde donde baja torrencialmente hasta que sus aguas son detenidas por el embalse de la Cuerda del Pozo en el término de Vinuesa, salvando un desnivel de casi 1000 m. en apenas 10 Km.

En este trayecto, desde su nacimiento hasta Vinuesa, el río recorre las localidades de Duruelo de la Sierra, Covaleda, Salduero y Molinos de Duero, interactuando con el entorno para ir perfilando el paisaje y encontrándonos a su paso miradores y rincones de un encanto incomparable.

Castroviejo y Cueva Serena (1550m), Puente del Tío Herrero (1460m) y Paso del Chalán (1305m).

Duruelo de la Sierra (1182m): Río Triguera, Grabados de arte rupestre, Necrópolis medieval, Fuentes naturales, etc

From....
http://www.hostalurbion.com/vinuesa.php?caso=cuna

Any help?

[Clive]

Nick,

I just looked at your google map... Do you actually have a daytime paid job? I mean those pins seem to be breeding all on their own...

[steveT]

Nick and Clive

I'm looking at a tatty 2003 Michelin map ........

It's got 2  tributries of Duero flowing off the Sierra de Urbion ..... interestingly one from the Laguna Negra ( which we tried to get to last year but didn't make it....... it's quite a special place I've heard ) ..... Did you go there Clive?

But there's a longer tributary that flows east thru Almazan  (south of Soria ) to the Sierra del Moncayo 2313m

I'll go and try and find my even tatty BP map to investigate further.

steveT

[Clive]

Laguna negra is what I thought was the source of the Dueroa nd yes, been there and seen the most amazing scots pines ever..... Huge things hanging from untouchable cliffs... Alfredo and Louise know about this I am sure( from Spanish Footsteps)... I'll send him a note to see if he can help....

[nick]

Many thanks Steve!

[nick]

Sorry, missed your post too Clive, many thanks too

[nick]

Right, I've created a new map called iberianature forum which we can use to pinpoint places for whatever issue. So far I've invited Steve and Clive, who can in turn invite others.

http://maps.google.es/maps/ms?hl=es&ie=UTF8&msa=0&ll=40.396764,-3.713379&spn=7.945812,19.753418&z=6&msid=107574536359234178895.00047f8d8b11242c7e772

Could be very useful for alll sorts of things

[Spanish Footsteps]

Hi Nick and all

Our internet is a little too slow to look for the source of the Duero from googlemaps, but I have been there several times.  There are various ways of getting there, but the quickest way is to drive to the stunning Laguna Negra which is a must if in Soria and walk to the Pico de Urbion (2229m), from there follow the GR86 in the direction Castroviejo and you pass the Duero source on the way.  It beautiful countryside with several glacial lakes throughout, and as Clive pointed out some centenarian Scots Pines.

Ive added a map (hope its a clear image), the coordinates on the map are : 510 x 4651, mas o menos !

Let me know if you need any further info or if you want me to email the map.

Cheers
alfredo

[Spanish Footsteps]

Just managed to go on googlemaps and found this,:

http://maps.google.es/maps/ms?hl=es&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=107574536359234178895.00047b8c158ff9749809c&ll=40.245992,-2.988281&spn=11.733965,18.720703&z=5&source=embed


looks like the source to me, as it flows on through Duruelo de la Sierra, which is the town aptly named, because it is the first village/town the Duero flows through.

Found a nice pic of an mature Scots Pine

[nick]

That's great Alfredo, I think I've done it, more or less, from the map you've attached. I can't really get any closer.

http://maps.google.es/maps/ms?hl=es&ie=UTF8&source=embed&msa=0&msid=107574536359234178895.00047b8c158ff9749809c&ll=42.019776,-2.88537&spn=0.030288,0.077162&t=h&z=14

I've also just invited you to the iberianature forum map.

By the way, the link you've included is to my places in Spain map.

Lovely tree by the way

[steveT]

Sorry my michelin map was very tatty ............. the tributary in sierra del moncayo was the Araviana and it's much shorter.

How and when did people know which was the longest tributary in the past ......... did someone check all the tributaries in each drainage basin? Is there some unsung hydrologist that did this in Spain or had people worked it out by the use of footpaths along streams as these would have been the arterial routes from village to village which would also have been on or by rivers or streams.

Great scots pine Alfredo!

steveT

[Spanish Footsteps]

Looks like you are pretty much on the money Nick.  Interesting that googlemaps only have the Duero starting just above Duruelo de la Sierra, which is to the lower left of your source marker.

[nick]

Thanks Alfredo